MY AB sust delivery!!!
Wow. Been a long wait but it finally arrived. Was getting anxious but AB followed up and delivered. Pinned 2ML (600mg) this past Saturday and can already feel it is legit, but JESUS is it painful. I've pinned a lot of oils in the past, mostly disappointingly BS crap, but have NEVER had PIP like with this shit even when going up to 5ml in one go. STILL in major right buttock hell, driving like I'm plannin on a SERIOUS high speed left turn, ass cheek swollen to half again the size of the other and has a red patch the size of a fist below the inj site. I know I didn't f up the sterilization but have never, repeat never, used shit this potent. Tried Heating pads, made it worse. Tried cold pacs and that seems to help, but everything I've been reading says that you should start to feel better after 2-3 days and its been 5 with no relief. Worried I may have pushed to hard but again, it can't be the volume - I've done much worse at the same speed if not harder with a .22 same as before in every case. Can't believe its not clean given the guys stellar reviews, and getting nervous that it may be an absess or an infection. Feels like roughly two golfballs together immediately south of the IS. Anyone have any suggestions? Am I stupid not to see an MD at this point or is this normal for shit this strong?
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Im running ab sust and deca and prop and npp. I hit a nerve in my upper buttock cause i pinned at an angle and the injection was really high. I was out of commission for 6 days. It was my fault. I personally keep amoxacillan at home and If i see a cheeck getting red and hot i pop one maybe another on later and it goes away. It probably would have went away without the medicane. I always use 2 new pinns per inject so I never had an issue with abscess or red swollen areas anymore. I personally hit a nerve cause I was running out of spaces to pinn and I picked a wrong spot. It was horrable. I couldnt even go to the gym, i couldnt lay down nor sit nor walk with out havin to adjust to make myself. I used tiger balm and rubbed it were it swole up and it helped alot. I injected in my upper right glute but at an angle. My upper right butt crack was so fukin swollen and painfull, it went up my back. thats how I know I hit a nerve. I would just keep an eye on it. Before I used 2 new pinns per inject I used to get red swollen hot injection sites all the time, but they would just go away. good luck
Jesus. Sounds like yours was worse than mine! I tried really scrubbing the bottle top with alch and the two pin system and found that it was much better...at least for the first two days. But then I f'd up again, and in doing so found out what I had done wrong the first time that blew everything so out of proportion.
I think that doing maniac intensity squats a day or two after the injection was the problem. I believe it increased the pressure around the oil pocket in the glute that it encouraged some kind of a tear in the surrounding tissue, perhaps some bleeding and a small hematoma (had a glute hematoma after falling off a dirt bike and hitting my ass on a rock once and the pain was definitely worse but eerily similar) or maybe just forced a larger amount of the Benzyl alchohol (learned on here that this is used to dissolve the Test into the oil) into the surrounding tissue in a high concentration.
Also think the squats caused it bc the first time I had this off the charts PIP (hence my original post) I had done heavy squats one day later after experiencing only minimal PIP and it immediately exploded into ridiculous pain levels, redness and swelling. But really didn't connect the two as with the weaker gear I've had, this has never been a problem.
This last time however, I used a .22 to pull and a .27 to push (NICE finger cramps, but makes you put it in very slow and minimal needle trauma). No issues beyond slightly higher than normal PIP... then I did squats and... BOOM! Now left cheek is the swollen one with a 3 golf-ball-sized lump in the upper glute at and below the Inj Site, and the pain is almost as bad as the other (mostly recovered one) though, thankfully, without the redness this time.
So for me, I will be doing legs only immediately BEFORE the next injection and not again until the PIP is completely gone.
Also considering 300mg every third day rather than the 600mg 1/wk, if this doesn't solve the problem.
Jesus. Sounds like yours was worse than mine! I tried really scrubbing the bottle top with alch and the two pin system and found that it was much better...at least for the first two days. But then I f'd up again, and in doing so found out what I had done wrong the first time that blew everything so out of proportion.
I think that doing maniac intensity squats a day or two after the injection was the problem. I believe it increased the pressure around the oil pocket in the glute that it encouraged some kind of a tear in the surrounding tissue, perhaps some bleeding and a small hematoma (had a glute hematoma after falling off a dirt bike and hitting my ass on a rock once and the pain was definitely worse but eerily similar) or maybe just forced a larger amount of the Benzyl alchohol (learned on here that this is used to dissolve the Test into the oil) into the surrounding tissue in a high concentration.
Also think the squats caused it bc the first time I had this off the charts PIP (hence my original post) I had done heavy squats one day later after experiencing only minimal PIP and it immediately exploded into ridiculous pain levels, redness and swelling. But really didn't connect the two as with the weaker gear I've had, this has never been a problem.
This last time however, I used a .22 to pull and a .27 to push (NICE finger cramps, but makes you put it in very slow and minimal needle trauma). No issues beyond slightly higher than normal PIP... then I did squats and... BOOM! Now left cheek is the swollen one with a 3 golf-ball-sized lump in the upper glute at and below the Inj Site, and the pain is almost as bad as the other (mostly recovered one) though, thankfully, without the redness this time.
So for me, I will be doing legs only immediately BEFORE the next injection and not again until the PIP is completely gone.
Also considering 300mg every third day rather than the 600mg 1/wk, if this doesn't solve the problem.
You know, it just shocked the shit out of me, initially. Appreciate the words bro. I'll keep it in mind and calm down.
Thanks for the warning, and for the reassurance. I have a high pain tolerance and would embrace the pain if not for the worry re infection. Glad to know its not a bad batch because this shit is STRONG. My lifts today were already dramatically improved and after only 6 days on my muscle bellies are amazingly fuller. Amazing. going to turn the other cheek tomorrow and try warming up and using a .27 there with 1.5 ML instead of 2ML.
How are you planning on running the cycle? 1 wk @ 600? Might try E3D @ 300. Also, after prepping the pin, I recap it and then warm it under hot water before pinning. As for quality, there is no doubt. Just got my bloodwork back big increase in t levels after only 3 pins. 300sust/250Deca (both from AB)
Test, Serum >1500 (ref 348-1197)
Test, Free > 52.95 (ref 5.00-21.00)
As I said before, minimal PIP (I'm sitting on both cheeks as I type this). FYI, using 23g 1.5" pins here
LOL. Wish I was as even keeled as you right now.
You know the capped re-warming is a great idea. Was wondering how I'd be able to push through a .27. Was actually planning on swapping out needles on the pull/push, switching a.21 on the pull for a .27 1.5" on the push. But it would really be nice to try EOD. Only problem is that If I pinned that often my wife would discover either the inj sites or the gear - my wife is a VERY perceptive woman and would not condone my juicing. And she would CRUCIFY me.
How's the deca? did you start with that in advance of the sust? Or same time? That was the cycle I wanted to try but made my first order a test.
Never had a blood test for T. How did you go about? Private lab? What kind of test do you ask for? And wow, you must have been amped when you saw those scores.
BTW, have to say, about 65% better (pain and appearance)than on the day of my first post.
I'm also running AB sust right now stacked with AB Deca. 2ml (300/250) E3D alternating glutes. Now I admittedly have a fairly high pain tolerance, but the PIP is also not what you are describing. The swelling and red would seem to indicate you either hit a nerve ending or had a sterilization issue. The saying "cleanliness is next to Godliness" is especially true when doing ANY kind of injection. At the risk of sounding broken record, ALWAYS clean the top of the vial with a fresh antiseptic wipe. Clean the injection spot with another clean wipe, and always use a fresh pin. At this point, I would hold off on any more injections until the issue clears up. Once cleared then start at a smaller dose of 150 or 300 in the other glute and see if you have the same issues. It may be an allergic reaction you are having. If it does not start clearing up in another couple days (you said you were already at 5 days) then I would get to a Doctor. Those are my thoughts and opinions, hopefully some other senior members will post in with some advice also.
Appreciate the feedback man. Actually starting to subside now, still hurts and one-cheeking the throne, but not as bad now. I do wipe down the Inj Site and always use fresh pins but will pay special attention to the vial top this time too. Thanks!
I just finished some and the PIP was there but nothing like you're talking about; maybe my batch was different. Had good gains from it.
so you are the one who bought up all of AB's sus, jk. on another note man sorry to hear about the PIP, i would keep a close eye on that and if it doesnt start to resolve get to the doctor.
LOL. Muhaha! Waited 8 weeks for it but finally got it. Only better feeling then when it finally came is watching new panties come down.
Frankiecut that stuff with either eo solvent at 1/.5 ratio (1ml prop and 0.5ml of eo) or a 1/1 grape seed oil ratio also try heating the oil before you inject i find this helps
Grape seed oil, seriously? I mean if I get the same reaction on the left as the right, I'd certainly consider diluting it but why grape seed oil? Is it cleaner or thinner or something?