Buddy gave me some left over tren e from mutagenic, so I threw it in my cycle just as soon as my tren ran out, giving me about another week of tren. I really recommend this stuff if you dont mind the dreadful pip and giant ass hematoma it may give you. Looked like I had a baseball implanted in my ass for a couple days, and if you stick this stuff in your quads you better have crutches on hand.