posted Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:14
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Mutagenics Dbol Whats Wrong Here?
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Got part of my order today. First time ordering from Muta T/A time was excellent but I think I clearly got a bad batch. My dbol looks nothing like what others have listed. The tabs are drastically different sizes and most have crumpled into powder shipping to me.
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Send them to me. I will eat them perty little mafuckas!
I was out all last night and didn’t get a chance to reply. First I am going to ignore the personal attacks by the source who claims that I "Don’t Eat" and was "born in 1989." I believe that he may have googled one of the supplied addresses perhaps and found one of my nephew’s webpages. I am not sure. I have 2 kids and I can assure you I am old enough to be here doing gear like everybody else. I can promise you there is no information on the internet about me as my job wold never permit that. If you want to spend your Saturday trying to google my family members, that is all on you and is completely irrelevant to anything. I didn’t make an account on this website to argue with people and make ignorant comments about other people’s families.
I do understand the difficulty in pressing tabs. That is why most sources use capsules. I have no problems with caps as I can open them and weigh out the contents to find the proper dose. I can in fact do that with all of these different sized pills, crush them down and individually weigh them out. The fact of the matter is I purchased "pills" for the simplicity. I was led into believe that this source was perfect and was capable of producing a solid pill that would be easy to carry around and dose without breaking out a scale. I simply did not get the product that I was led into believing I would get, simple as that.
I did not make this post to put anybody on blast or to challenge the way things operate around here. I got my gear in the mail and posted some pictures to get feedback from other members. As many of you have said, it is difficult to press tabs, and this is the quality to be expected. Well, if this is an accurate representation of Muta's Dbol then what is the big issue? Why are so many people getting upset? If this is what it's supposed to look like, I'll keep it on my paper plate and chow down on the little fuckers. I have just seen other people’s reviews and the tabs looked nothing like these so I wanted to be sure they were alright before I put them inside of my body. I would rather have a new batch that wasn’t all broken and mismatched, but I guess I'm not going to get that. I never said one bad thing about anybody, or tried to start any drama, I was just stating facts about the product I received.
One more thing...There seemed to be some confusion is the way I used the word integrity. I would like to point out that there is more than one definition to the word. I was not saying anything about your integrity as a person Muta, but the physical integrity of the pills.
an unimpaired condition : soundness
the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness
NOT
firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility
peepsHow can you crush a pill and weigh it to find out if its dosed right?
Thats BS becasue for all you know it could be all FILLER AND BINDER WITH NO ACTIVE HORMONE AT ALL.
For every one 10mg dbol there is 0.01g of raw hormone in it , a tiny amount of the pill .
Yes your most likely right...thats why im frustrated. Had I just gotten what I ordered none of this would be an issue. Oh well I guess im SOL. Thanks for the help everybody. Have a good weekend.
1 regular tylenol has 500mg of acetaminophen. The pills are majority filler so you can swallow it or find it if you drop it on the floor. 100mg is a super tiny amount physically its fuckin small.
Solution: Count how many pills are broken crush all the shit thats broken, and divide it up by eyeballing it. Or suspend it in a solution in a coke bottle. You then have an averaged dose by dividing the total number of pills crushed by 20 ounces of solution in the coke bottle. And BOOM average dose of the crushed pills margin of error depends on what size the crushed pillls were. That's your only solution. Drink the 20 fluid ounces/(number of pills in total) = 1 dose in fluid ounces. Algebra saves the day!
AnonYou got baby mama drama, you ain't even got you a baby
This will be resolved..the srcs know the customer is king!
They might have fun stuff to shoot..we trade money ...I'm sure they will fix it for you..best of luck!
You could also smash them all and take small amt ED mixed in water..
with this src the dbol is there...weigh it divid by mg and figure accurately dose of powder
DOUBLE G 67BRO PRESSING TABS ISNT AS EASY AS BAKING A PIE..THE BINDERS HAVE TO BE IN PERFECT RATIO WITH THE RAWS..THE PRESSURE HAS TO BE RIGHT,OR THEY DONT "PRESS" RIGHT...WE HAD A TON OF TRIAL AND ERROR BATCHES WHEN WE STARTED USING OUR PRESS(AND WE HAVE A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE)THE POWDER IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH PSI OR THE DAMN "SHIPPING CO." USED YOUR PACK LIKE A FRISBEE.THE THINNER TABS JUST ARE SLIGHTLY LESS MG NOW.IM SURE IF YOU HAD CONTACTED MUTA PRIOR TO THIS POST HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE ACCOMODATING BRO
Truth, I probably woulda never even noticed
"whats wrong here?"
you got excited over a little mistake didnt pm muta and put him on blast.
dirty pool mister , dirty pool...
OP, they're probably trash bro! I'll test them out for u and report back. Friend request sent! ;-)
Joke. Pop em dude
like the paper plate, it's dbol for breakfast! lol..
..also bro you should bring issues you have up with the source, this comes off negative even though you're not actually attacking him verbally.. it can be interpreted as "bashing" ..
.. don't get me wrong, you absolutely have the right to show what you got and share that info. Muta has established himself as a stand up guy. he has nothing to worry about, and I'm sure he'll make right with you for any concerns you have..
..just remember that tact and discretion are two important traits to have, especially here.
OMFG, WHAT BULLSHIT! THATS HORRIBLE! Lol, just kidding! I don't see a problem with him posting this out of concern and I also see nothing wrong with the products. We all know muta has good tabs. Pop dem bitches. Questioning his integrity is another story. I would imagine it'a just an honst mistake when tabs come out different sizes. Muta, is it plausable that the dose may be slightly off in the smaller ones? That would be my only concern. So i would know how to dose it. This is the underground gentlemen! Welcome!
Anonagreed brudda, I explained below as to why batches come out different sizes.. plain and simple, its just adjusting the dials on the tab presses.
3-4 (correctly dosed) "batches'" if I may, are combined into 1, then sorted and sealed.
Unless you have owned some type of on line business, it's hard to understand how big a deal this is. I just noticed how new you were to this site so I've allready forgiven you. Not that what I think feel has any relevance.
Does this guy have a right to post absolutely. But it is also about what kind of relationship you want to build for the future. To me I would have contacted the source first in private now awhile back Viking posted a review about Muta's deca that had an issue as a new mod he was obligated to to avoid even the appearance of favoritism. Muta had no problem with that as that was the way mods must conduct themselves here. For the rest of us it is a choice about how we want to build are relations. Does john0089 have a right to post this yes he does.
Should anyone jump on him for it no they shouldn't, this is between him and the source. I would not have handled it this way and if I had the chance to talk with him I would have offered an alternative way just to avoid this disputing. I don't know what happen with the incident of questioning Muta's integrity but for me personally since I have known him for awhile now his integrity has been blameless in the way he has been towards me.
I just bought a brand new car. As soon as I got to 55 mph the stealing wheel started to shake. I didn't call the car dealer to let them know what was going on so they could rebalance the tires. I went to the car and driver forum and wrote that the #1 rated car sold by the #1 rated car dealer ship was a piece of sheet for every perspective customer to read. Now I got a car that the tires are not balanced and a bunch new customers might be buying crappier cars from dealerships that take 14 to 72 days to deliver. Or never have all the cars in all the colors with all the features in stock. Or maybe they might be dealerships that scream at the customers and call them bad names as soon as they pay. Hmm. I would just put that powder under my tongue as a bonus right before training.
You have a good point. But in that case, that would be the right thing to do to put the dealer on blast because you did indeed get shit, not to mention getting satisfaction isn't easily addressed, as well as a morale responsibility to inform people their family's safety could be in jeopardy. In this case, it's questionable whether shit was received and the issue could have been easily addressed. I doubt the kid meant any malice just by the looks of it and maybe he didn't understand he was basically besmirching someone's reputation. Hell...let it work itself out I suppose.
Yup.
AnonBro wtf are you talking about, that is a horrible analogy. I get your point, I think lol
You have been on here for a long time and have read alot of this stuff. You know what I'm saying through my humor:)
AnonI got you man, that post was just stuck out to me........good shit.....made me laugh at work.
AnonHonestly Muta is a stand up dude. If you would have emailed or pmd him about the issue he probably would have helped you out.
"Got part of my order today. First time ordering from Muta T/A time was excellent but I think I clearly got a bad batch. My dbol looks nothing like what others have listed. The tabs are drastically different sizes and most have crumpled into powder shipping to me."
Once again, what is so damn fucking wrong with this? Jesus christ, everyone else posts about the gear they receive and how it fucking looks and so did this guy. Edit this post? Remove the picture? You've got to be kidding me. Now there's a lot of people in this thread that I respect, the source included, but there's nothing wrong with this being posted. Yeah the first tab is clearly double the size of the third one. If I had a vial that was doubly filled than another, you know I'd be posting a picture of it.
"Yeah I'm sure they are fire I just want to be able to get somewhat of a consistant dose everyday. I dont want to be taking different amounts daily. Obviously the press he has is capable of making good tabs as 4 of them were legit, 7 were about halfway there and the others crumble. I have no doubts that he will fix it he has been great with communication and very professional."
Once again, this guy was at no point being derogatory and just airing some WELL REASONED CONCERNS. Same concerns that I think anyone else would have. You guys are really something else.
Anonthe issue here is that it's all about etiquette, brother. my personal opinion is that this isn't much of an issue. we're talking about underground shit from an underground lab. regardless of anyone's experience or preferences, we SHOULD all EXPECT some inconsistencies. now, with that being said, if he or anyone still feels that this simply doesn't meet their expectations, go to the man and address them one on one, BEFORE you put someone on blast. it's good etiquette brother.. if you get no resolution, blast that shit indeed. the option for edit was to give the opportunity to correct this bad approach and hopefully give him a chance to have his issues addressed and corrected. that was in his best interest, not mine.
I understand what you're trying to say and yeah it always helps to contact the source before hand. However, I don't really see this post as the guy putting muta on blast. I see this as a guy posting a product he received and airing a concern. A blast would've been, "THIS SHIT IS BUNK, I'LL NEVER ORDER AGAIN". All he said was what any one of us could state from the photos AND he called muta a stand up guy. Just my way of seeing it.
AnonI never said it was wrong bud, (although others did) I called him out for saying shit about my 'Integrity" never said "WHY WOULD YOU POST A PIC" it doesnt bother me in the slightest, but you all think you're some sort of geniuses.. tab size/thickness comes from dial adjustments on the press, it has nothing to do with the dosage/mg of a pill. some batches have more binder than others.. as for cracked/destroyed tabs.. i cant control the mail.. and ultimately the decision rests with me if I choose to reship, and quite honestly, im not going to let a young kid come in here think I owe him.
anyways, its all irrelevant, its a dead issue, and a little search would lead me to believe this kid shouldn't be using anything but protein.
It's stand-up that you not against this pic he posted, but that he called out your integrity....I definitely see your side as well. This is such a small deal, it's a shame that such a non-issue is getting so much attention, but after all, this is eroids, and none of us have shit to do...
With all due respect, it in my opinion that the OP meant the physical integrity of the product itself to withstand the vacuum/shipping process. I believe the OP says this a little further down.
Is it normal for people to receive 3 (or more?) different batches in an order? This is a legitimate question for my own better understanding of the business.
Anonyeah it is bro, and im not trying to be a sadistic asshole. when producing, say we start with 500G of dbol, we split it up into 100-150g batches, mix with the presolv, bake with ISO to create the homologous mixture then start to press. then we do the same process with the rest. the machine constantly needs tweaked. when everything is pressed they are consolidated into one bag and prepped to get sealed. as I said before I dont mail tabs or even vacuum seal chipped/broken tabs.. thats just an asinine thought. My frustration comes from people neglecting to realize this is the underground.. not watson pharma. With no knowledge on what he was talking about, he spewed his shit out making my tabs seem they were all underdosed, without having the slightest knowledge on what he was talking about. My main frustration came from the fact a kid who looks like he hardly eats is dissecting the way I run my business and saying my products integrity is flawed. If he had just posted a pic saying some were broken and openly asked about the size, I would have gladly came in - explained what I just did, and shipped him a new pack to cover his broken tabs.
I can understand why you're angry and frustrated and I know we only see a minute amount of the headaches you encounter but could it be possible that you might be over analyzing the OP's thought process and the way he worded things? Yeah the OP is ignorant but he didn't post this out of hate/spite/to question your business. I think he is ignorant just out of merely ignorance. I don't even know why I'm defending him to be honest but it's obvious this kid can't defend himself and it's his lack of tact that got him here in the first place. In a perfect world I'd like to see this all just go away as a big fuckjob misunderstanding and the kid to get a new pack and WHOLE LOT of education from this thread but that's obv your call. Once again, this is said with all due respect.
First of all, I respect someone who's willing to stand against the grain and say what they think is right. That does take guts. Anyway, I think you're right...I don't think he meant any malice. He just plain blundered and didn't handle or state things properly. Anyway, guess just let things follow their natural course.
AnonI ordered some proviron from Muta a few months back and a couple of the tabs were broke, I put those bitchez together and swallowed them. I didn't post a pic and didn't contact him. That was my approach, because 98% of the tabs were fine. However, I don't think the OP is being a dickhead he just wanted to figure out the issue. The thing about this is, I bet he learned a valuable lesson........
See, this is what happens when you have little karma. You get a gang of what the fuckers getting all up in arms about a post. Most of the time it's warranted, but john here, I feel did not do anything wrong.
270strengthso now evrybody that has a issue with there products contact your supplier b4 putting them on blast this sisnt walgreens are walmart this is the fucking underground world of steroids MUTA we all know you got that fiyaaaaaa
Damn.. Some people man.. They think everything is suppose to be perfect with this an freak out when there's a slight problem or their pack takes a day longer then the T/A.. MUTA is an amazing guy, definately the best all around source I've ever interacted with and you received your product an the quanity you were suppose to.. You could of gotten a letter saying they seized it then what would you do? Don't talk down on the best source out there an be negative cause I promise that DBol you got is probably if not the best dosage out there an your going to do this an make his product an services look shitty because you aren't happy.... Fuckkkk some people irritate me!!!!
AnonI was told there is clearly a lack of integrity in my product, so since thats how you feel.. I wont burden you by sending you replacements.. I think you're better off ordering off of amazon.com (some pro hormones maybe)
have a great fucking day!
Actually I stated that the underdosed pills lacked the physical integrity to withstand the vacuum seal process and the properly dosed larger pills all made it to me in one piece.
Anonmy advice to you, bro, is to edit this entire post and replace those pics before too many people see this and it's too late. that's your best bet of mitigating this thing and maybe the man will take the time to talk with you privately and find a resolution for you. this aint it tho
Probably not the best idea to post this before notifying Muta first about your issue. Muta is the nicest source I know and he would've tried to help you. Putting him on blast over this imo is poor form and not good business on your part..
I'd rather have what you got the a gelatin capsule filled with a bunch of other stuff in it that makes you burp all or gives you heartburn. The ones that are broke are probably due due the shipping process that keeps them from making the noises that pills can make when you shake the package. Match them up as close as you can to whole pills and eat them. It doesn't make a difference. I'm sure you got a customers always right goodie package coming in the mail. Down low pm would have probably got you a bigger goodie package though. I'm sure it will all be worked out. Best of luck to you. In the end most of us have a similar goal. TO GET SWOOOOLE!
AnonEAT DEM BITCHES!!!
AnonI have done a few transactions with Muta he's a good dude and will come through. However, posting a pic of it isn't bad in my opinion. Just showing the product how he received it.
That what I thought. I was just posting up pictures of the gear I got today like most people do and am writing an honest review. I have to admit I was excited when I got the package. I guess thats not how things actually work here and I am going to be "punished" for bein honest.
Not punished but more like advice. MUTA spent an entire day trying to get a specific donation that I requested and still got my small order out to me in 2 days. It looks like you got the correct product. Not underdosed, but just had a bumpy ride. It's not a MUTA issue but rather a shipping issue. Which is out of his control. I believe the "double stack" issue is just a press issue. Probably happens when doing volume pressing but shouldn't reflect that you got "underdosed" tablets. Keeping this sort of issue in emails or PMs can probably get it resolved better. Its kind of a slap in the face to the source in my opinion.
No, that's the result of not being savvy and doing things with proper form.. First of all, saying u got a bad batch implies u got bunk. You don't know that yet. Second of all, if you feel u have a legit issue talk to the man first. It's pretty evident the man correctly cares about his rep. You didn't give him the chance to address the issue before saying stuff about the gear. After all of that, if you still have gripe and can't get satisfaction then call it out.
Anoni don't think you'll necessarily be "punished", but imagine the shoe on the other foot. this particular src has a rep for going out of his way and making sure people are satisfied. things do happen bro. just my honest opinion here.. the end result for you would have been to hit him up in private with your concerns, bc he will address them for you and help you resolve them. this approach, however, would put most on the natural defensive.. which means the end result may not be as expected or hoped for.
Anonso, you say im professional but you post a pic about the first issue you have? hmmm you might be sadly disappointed.
What's wrong with posting an obvious defect of a product?