posted Tue, 10/15/2019 - 22:17
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+ 33 Mr Raise DHB 100 lab test
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The test result is not exactly what I expected from No.1 rated US domestic source. I have contacted Mr. Raise and asked about the high Test content. His response was "possible cross-contamination". Regardless, I ran the gear for 10 weeks and got some good results using DHB100 (Mr. Raise) at 280mg/week plus NPP (from another source) at 100/wk and Test E 200mg/wk (Mr. Raise). IMO it would be fairer to sell this gear as DHB78-Test22 blend. The sample tested came out of the 12ml vial marked exp. 05.2021. Tested by Janoshik Lab, European Union.
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Anytime I see “pip free” DHB I laugh. It’s either not DHB or underdosed like this. Good src’s on here can make it tolerable for most but if it doesn’t feel like a kick in the ass 3 days later it ain’t DHB.
But would 22 mg if Test really make it pip free ? That’s the question of this cross contamination being an accident or intentional. The numbers aren’t terrible though. Well we’re all aware now to be cautious of sources claiming to have pip free DHB.
I was always hesitant to try because of the pip. If it doesn’t cause pip, I might place an order now.
Pip is someting i feel thats a personal thing ya know. I pin 300mg of primo at a time with no issues. My boy pins the same exact gear and cant pin more then 100mg at a time. To say dhb has to have pip i dont agree with. What i will say is if the vial says 100mg of dhb then it needs to have 100mg of dhb....period. if it was underdosed i would be a little more understanding. Maybe the raws were soft or the brew recipe was off but how the hell did test get in the batch????
Exactly my point too. This whole issue with PIP is very subjective and varies greatly individual to individual. I do agree that if you see 100mg DHB on the label there should be hundred milligrams of DHB in every ml of the oil/solvent base. In a perfect world that is. But finding a real good, US domestic source is difficult. Based on my own experience it seems that sooner or later they all start cheating one way or the other. Last time I had gear tested was about 3-4 years ago. Another top rated source here on Eroids. It tested like a pharma grade. The mg strength was within a single decimal point. Not overdosed, not underdosed, right on the money. And then little over one year later, they started selling heavily underdosed gear, based on another set of tests a buddy of mine paid for. So it seems that unless you brew this stuff yourself, you never know what you are actually injecting yourself with...... A pretty scary thing if you look at it from this perspective.
Thanks for testing bro. I've never used this source but I think it is relevant that the actual compound came back as DHB...even with the test in there. Although it's not the precision you would have liked I wonder how much of the DHB on the market would test legit given the price difference seen between the sources that offer it. +1
Hey, buddy, I agree with you completely. We all know that we are not dealing with Pfizer here, and buying from UGL is risky and nothing is ever guaranteed. Personally, I don't see this as a huge issue. Nearly 80% is real DHB and that's the bottom line. Plenty of other sources will sell you plain bunk gear without even blushing so even though far from perfect these results are sort of acceptable to me. At least now I know how to adjust my dose of both, the Test, and DHB. I'm not screaming for blood and I wouldn't crucify otherwise well rated source based on one single test. On the other hand, if this sort of thing would be reoccurring, which I will actually find out pretty soon, I would definitely look elsewhere.
But this does draw some issues. Either A.) this guy doesn’t test his raws, or if he does he just so happened to miss that batch. Or B.) he knowingly produced this without making a simple notation to inform the customers.
DHB is a cheap compound compared to some others from what I’ve seen. What’s this mean for the more expensive stuff like Primo? Is that not being tested too? Or is that being cut down with test to make it “smoother” or cut costs?
I haven’t pulled the trigger on this guy yet but I’ve been watching. Interested to see how he handles this.
Hey bro thanks for testing, this result is interesting it shows our raw is indeed DHB + test ena, not boldenone EQ or straight test ena like other sources sell it, everyone who bought that batch please contact me i will credit $50 bucks to their accounts, we are gonna run our own test if results come back the same we will change the label to DHB + Test Ena
Seriously? It's not what they wanted to get respectively paid for. If your own test shows the same results, a refund respectively full amount credit would be a deal. But 50$ credit imo is a weak compensation, especially if a customer bought more of this gear...
So who are the other sources selling the bunk stuff?
That’s a big claim. Care to back it up?
jayiskI know even the best srcs..,not ones that give out free test for reviews and ratings..., do run into issues. Its the nature of the business.
But for a src to reply that its "possible cross-contamination" or "at least its not EQ or just test" its not the response i would expect from a proper src.
Similar to me getting caught cheating on my wife. Yeah, it was only one women. Not 3 or 4 like so other guys.
Yes, please post your own results as soon as you have them. Personally I wouldn't mind at all buying this as DHB 80 and Test E 20 blend. It still did what it was supposed to do, one must only up the dose a bit. Personally, I don't see this as a huge issue as long as you clearly identify the actual content on your labels. And I know that some sources sell plain Test or other less expensive compounds as DHB. I will have your NPP and Test E tested by the same lab, and if everything is OK or at least within the acceptable range, I will continue buying from you guys. It would've been a different story if majority of the active compound was something totally different But as you said there is quite a bit of DHB in these vials.
But if the customer has paid , for example 10-15 vials, $50 is a bit less or what do you think bro?
So.. that means don’t test your Raws at all before production...??
I would like to know the answer to this one as well......
BigCactusLol that's daylight robbery.
+1
Alphamale500Wow, see that shit! Smfh! This is exactly what we need, more ppl having these tests performed. And don't believe any of that cross contamination bullshit!
PcushionIf someone is trying to Pharma quality gear there wouldn’t be cross contamination. Brother posts like this are a reminder of why I only use who I do. I might pay a few dollars more, but no chance of that happening on my end. I get what I pay for.
Would you be willing to share your supplier via PM? When I lived back in Europe most of my gear was legit pharma grade because my doctor didn't mind prescribing it to me. Now being in the US, finding a solid reliable source is very difficult, and doctors in my State wouldn't even discuss prescribing AAS.
PcushionPm sent man
Noooo my vials are labeled 05/2021 too :(
Also, you mentioned you asked Mr. Raise about the "high" test content; did you mean "low" test?
Well, there shouldn't be any Test in this compound to begin with. So 22% of test is really way too "High" IMO. This is what I meant.
Complete Garbage. This just confirmed my suspicion I stated in my review. Knowing this, I wish I could retract my quality rating and give him more of a lower rating than I already did.
I'm assuming he's high on the boards because he sends out free gear for high ratings. Emailed me asking to switch my rating because it hurt him in the ranks and in return i'll get free test, which I didnt even bother to respond to. I thought it was underdosed to begin with. Plus all my reviews are honest, I'm not trying to mislead anyone.
So I'm assuming that's whats going on here with his ranking. I'm not saying all his gear is bunk, I thought his EQ was bangin but his test and dhb were garbage compared to other sources.
Goodjob with the testing +
Glasscastle0515What’s the best test source for you
PcushionThat’s just bad business. If it helps with PIP then disclose it on the label. +1 for posting test results man. This is why I use the source I do. I want to know what’s in my product and I want to know I am getting what I paid for.
So is that the trick to get to hold with no pip???
That is sad to see!! I was just about to order from mr. rise. I might wait a while.... the numbers don’t concern me as much as “ cross contamination”.. IMO. I think I’ll wait a while to order and stick with my current source!!
Restore my faith mr. rise!! I was really excited to try ya.
There are way too many satisfied customers and this might have been of those batches which simply went wrong. Not sure. I'm planning on spending another $200 on testing their Test E and NPP. I purchased both a couple of months ago. Only in case they all test heavily underdosed or mixed with other stuff I would stop buying from this guy. I would not write him off at this point in time. I still got pretty good results on 350mg (about 280mg in reality) od DHB a week. This stuff is powerful but apparently messes with your liver and kidneys (something I did not know nor researched before). Even a relatively low-moderate dose of 280mg showed on my post cycle bloodwork. I really wanted to try this compound and I'm glad I did. No PIP by the way! But I'm not sure if I'm ever going to buy more DHB (from any source, I mean) because of the side effect it has on my liver and kidneys. I would like to hear from others who ran DHB and if they had a similar experience. I think in the future I will stick with more expensive but still very effective Primo at 600mg/wk with some NPP 100mg/wk, and Test 250mg/wk. The DHB worked faster than Primo, that is a fact. But again, the sides might not be worth it. Just something to consider.
Did you ever test the NPP? I have purchased bottles of the NPP myself in the past and I am just curious of the results.
No, didn't get to do this yet. But I still have several unopened 12ml vials so my plan is to have them tested first.
I have run a few DHB cycles and never noticed anything unusual with my liver function test. My AST/ALT numbers are always mildly raised - on or off cycle - which is due to training. GGT and Bilirubin is always low and these are the critical markers to watch on the basis that heavy lifting is going to cause raised AST/ALT values. But a marked difference and an upwards trend in AST/ALT as a cycle goes on are signs that you may want to add some liver support.
Now lipids are a different story. I have noticed a negative affect to lipids on DHT cycles but then again I was running other compounds that would have had this effect on there own (like Proviron) so I can’t say definitively if the DHB has a marked effect. I’m going to run a low dose (300mg) alongside my trt dose as part of a cruise and pull labs to see how my lipids get affected. Will report back.
Hey bud, Thank you for responding to my post. I have my blood work done regularly and I have never seen so out of range liver and kidney markers when running low to moderate amount of test with NPP (one of my favorite compounds), or test with primo. Yes, my lipid profile always gets a serious beating regardless of my diet, but that's to be pretty much expected. I see my liver numbers out of range like this only when I throw in some oral AAS. This is why I stay away from stuff like Halo or even D-bol.
I still have enough of DHB to run another 10wk cycle so I will watch my numbers really really closely next time around (about one year from now because for my next cycle I plan on running primo 600/wk, Test E 200/wk and little NPP100 to protect my joints). It will be interesting for me to compare the blood work between these two cycles.
+2 for testing you may want to remove your email address from the pic though bud.
Funny how the “cross-contamination” adds up to almost 100mg.
oh crap... yeah... thanks for the heads up. I've cropped the image so the email is no longer there...
No shit +2 for testing