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+ 7 Mid cycle bw. Help with estrogen

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Im on 500mg of cyp a week and 100 mg of test prop ever other day until the cyp kicked in. Also 50 mg of proviron a day. . I'm taking adex twice a week. .25. Any advice as to what I should do to lower estrogen? Maybe up adex dose for a week or two . Thanks for the help

Gh0st's picture

Great numbers for what you're running bro +1 for bloods but I'm a bit confused - if you're not experiencing any sides effects why lower your estrogen? Estrogen is cardioprotective and important for muscle growth.

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Thanks bro. Idk just thought it was a little high . Just wanted to get it down a little bit befor I start having problems. I have been a little fatigued during the day and nipples starting getting a little sensitive. I just would like to get it to around 70

robxl12321's picture

is this alpha or sigma?

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robxl12321's picture

holy fucking shit bro..... +1 i wish i could plus 1000 lol that estro tho man im suprised your nips arent on fire

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Hahaha yea it's insane how high the test levels are. It's alpha . Yea me too because normally I'm sensitive to estrogen and they aren't bothering me one bit. That why I was surprised when it came back at 101. I want to get it down to under 70

adobeast's picture

Hahaa probably we had same batch we had identical numbers on Alpha-Pharma test cyp. And my strogen was around 140 but was not taking no arimidex or nothing. By the way awesome numbers on the total test

jll's picture

I second Brad's question, any issues with libido or ED?

Conventional wisdom would say that libido will be shot to shit with an e2 of 140. But your T:E ratio was probably very high.

adobeast's picture

Hi brother yes ur right. My sex drive and libido sucked i felt i was like 70 yrs old lol. But i was very strong and gaining, my mistake was that i didn't run arimidex from the begining of the cycle. I've learned my lesson lol

brad123's picture

Damn bro 140. U should always take adex or aro. We're u getting crazy sides?

adobeast's picture

Yea remember i told u through PM and u told me to get on Adex. And i did right Away. I was stacking it with deca alpha from nandro and i took adex and caber. Pharmacy grade. Well at that level i was getting very strong, the strongest ive been but honestly my sex libido drop so bad . I was used to get alot of morning woods when i was just taking test cyp and at that moment nothing. And at the gym i was not getting good pumps. No acne eather. But once i started using the Arimidex and caber at 1 one and half i started to get my livido but i started breaking out on my back.

brad123's picture

Yea I remember . Yea your hormone levels were all over the place plus the deca didn't help the libido issues at all. Next time I hope u do it right bro. Were u off of the test when u broke out? But yea that was prob cause u were all over the place too.

333's picture

Dude your on 500mg and your almost 10k on your levels holy fuck where did you get your gear from Jesus himself

brad123's picture

Haha and the 100mg of prop every other day. I have the sources on there. I know I thought I was reading it wrong at first. . lol

333's picture

.25 eod and get blood work and adjust from there might have to go up to .5 eod but that's after blood word

Ronburgundy's picture

Definitely up the adex to lower estro or worst case, drop the prop. u will probably need susequent bloodwork either way. What week are u on and do u have any estro sides?

brad123's picture

I just finished week 4 so I think I'd be fine dropping the prop now. What do you think I should up it to. .50 twice a week? Def will get bloods again in a few weeks

Ronburgundy's picture

I would drop prop as you mention, and adjust adex to 0.5mg 2x per week, and then re-test to see where you stand. That's pretty straightforward imo. Maybe even dose the adex more frequently--either eod or 3x/week.
If you have any nipple sensitivity, I would add in nolva too.
+1 for the bloodwork and nice test numbers!

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Ok bro thanks a lot . I doubled my adex dose today . And I think I'll take it an extra day this week. WhAt you think retest 2 weeks? And I'll be ok dropping the prop and not crashing right? The cyp should be fully kicked in?

TheLeftHand's picture

This is from another site I'm on. I'd post the link, but i am not quite sure on the rules reguardingthis sort of thing. This is how i do my cycle except with sustanon instead of cyp. Everyone is different but I take .5 mg arimadex every other day and that works for me. Never any gyno, sometimes sex drive drops so that may be even too much. Can't see the charts unless you have an account on the site. Hope this helps!

Below you'll find some charts derived from a popular half-life calculator illustrating how adding test prop to a Sustanon cycle can help to kick-start it quickly, extend it beyond its normal length, and cut the time needed to start pct afterwards by around half.

The benefit of Sustanon is supposed to be sustained, even hormone release using a combination of long, medium, and short esters. The downside, of course, is the slow initial buildup of these levels in the blood and their agonizingly slow, lumbering decline courtesy of the isocaproate and decanoate esters.

Most of you are aware of front-loading and kick-start strategies, so the idea of using test prop in this role isn't exactly groundbreaking. What may be interesting to some of you though is seeing an example and what it can look like visually.

Half life calculators like the one used here can be pretty handy with dose timing and overall hormone leveling. By knocking down the peaks and filing in the troughs, we have a better chance of approaching something resembling stability. Needless to say, maintaining stable test levels will simplify the task of limiting any potential sides by helping us nail down the minimum effective AI ancillary dose needed for your particular cycle.

This example requires 20mL sustanon 250 (5000mg total), and 10mL test propionate 100 (1000mg total). All together, we're looking at a conservative cycle worth around $120 or so, depending on your source.

For the car guys here, we want test levels to look like a fat torque curve - that is, tabletop flat all the way to redline. We do that in this example by front-loading the Sustanon using a double first dose on day 1 (500mg) along with one test prop injection (100mg) on day 1, then another 100mg test prop alone on day 3. Sustanon injections continue at 500mg/week injected twice a week (every Sunday and Thursday in our first example) until the last injection on the first day of week 10. Then, 5 days later when our levels are starting to drop from the shorter esters falling out, we start back up with test prop at 100mg EOD, using up the remaining 800mg (shown in purple).

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As you can see, using this approach brings test up to respectable levels by the end of week 1, keeps us level throughout, prolongs the cycle out to almost 13 weeks instead of 10 or 11, and allows test levels to fall off the cliff as the shorter propionate ester clears out by week 2 post-cycle. By that time, the long esters are negligible and it's getting to be PCT time.

The second example shown is a simple variation using the same front-load but Sustanon 250mg injections E3D, so it's a little harder and faster.

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For reference, here is a simple Sustanon only chart as well, showing a 3-4 week wait for test levels to drop.

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Whether this is worth and extra $30 or so for the test prop is entirely up to you, but it sure seems to make sense to me.

This all assumes the your gear is dosed properly and that these half lives are accurate. I used 3 days for propionate, 4.5 days for phenylpropionate, 9 days for isocaproate, and 15 days for decanoate. These half-lives may be a little long, but are probably not terribly far off, at least as they relate to each other.

Also, you can geek out on adjusting your dosages and improve this curve further, but for the sake of simplicity, we'll just leave it be.

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Thanks bro I'll look at that when I get a chance I'm at work right now. I saw none of the images uploaded

Ronburgundy's picture

You're on week 5 so the cyp should be kicked in now, so you wouldn't crash. When were you planning on dropping the prop? I would typically drop prop after 4 weeks, but that's just my protocol. I am a less is more kind of guy though.

I think 2 weeks is fine for testing, the prop will be clear and your new adex dosing should be stable.

Edit: I don't know if you just added this to your post, but I just saw you were using proviron too, maybe just dropping the prop and dosing 0.25/3x per week would be sufficient.

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I was planning on running it through week 5 just to make sure it was fully kicked in. But I know they say 4 weeks is good . So I'd probably be ok with dropping it now. Thanks for the help.

Yea I did just add it. I forgot to put it on there. I took an extra .25 today . So u think just dropping prob and adding an extra day of .25 of adex?

Ronburgundy's picture

Np, it's tricky dosing that adex especially when you will be dropping the prop. Too little now may be too much later. Getting follow-up bloodwork will be the only way to confirm. At least you will learn how your body handles estro conversion on various doses of test and what dose of adex makes you feel best. Everyone is different so no easy answer.

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Yea I was fine with cyp on I had no issues . Retro was right where it should be doses at .25 a week. I did do prop this morning . So for the next two weeks u think adex . 25 three times a week and bw?

Ronburgundy's picture

Sounds good. How do you feel by the way? Your bp is good? no nipple sensitivity? Just curious

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Yea bro that's the weird part. I feel pretty good. Only adobe I'm having is feeling tired so I knew something was off. I'm still lifting hard be juat throughout the day don't have the energy I usually do on test. No nippe sensitivity and I have it when shot first kicks in till I start an ai. No acne and libido is insane. So I was surprised it was so high. I also have aro I was thinking of taking that but don't really want to mix ais

Ronburgundy's picture

I wouldn't add the aro--would just add to the confusion. I was assuming you had some sides, but since you feel great,maybe just leave everything alone. It is going to drop once the prop clears. Re-test a couple of weeks after you drop the test p. High estro with low t is bad, but your test is through the roof so your ratio is great.

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Ok thanks a lot bro. I just took the extra .25 already today but with estrogen that high don't think it will matter to much . Ok yea that sounds like a good idea. I'll just keep the adex at .25 drop the prob and retest in a couple weeks and see where estrogen is .

jll's picture

Libido is insane and working fine? No ED issues or anything? It's all contextual. Sure, 101 is high for estro, but your total t is also wayyy off the charts.

brad123's picture

No ed issues at all. Libido is great. Yea I'd like to drop it dude wn a little tho. Like 60 or so. Like I said only side affect is being tired so I'd like to fix that . Yea my total t is high as fuck