posted Thu, 10/16/2025 - 08:20
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My blood total test and e2 levels 8 weeks in. My current dose it 600mg of test e and 300mg of eq . I inject 2x a week. Blood was drawn the morning after my last injection. Little disappointed in my levels considering my dose. Any insight ?
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Just something I’ve observed in the last 6 months since being back on here. 500-600mgs ew tends to result in sub 3000 test levels now. Somewhere around 2000-2500 seems to be the average. 7-12 years ago on here 3000-4000 was the norm on 500mgs ew. With some people closer to 5000. If you were just 3000 that was considered pretty low. I haven’t seen anyone close to these levels on that dose since being back. So idk what that’s about. I can’t imagine everything was just way overdosed back then. But your results seem to in line with most other people posting these days.
Running 560mg test c 200 from kits4less right now and my blood work came in at Total 3,819 and free 1,041. It was also the underfilled batch but worked just fine.
I do split 560mg into daily IM pins though.
I think alot of labs were overdosing product. 500/wk has always put me in the 2500 range and this shoukd be about normal with slight variations due to differing body chemistry. Plus a few years ago alot of other products were labeled as other but were really test. So people were taking way more test than they thought. By the time we factor out the ester weight 500mg of test e or c is really only 350mg/week
I still buy gear that 500mg is at or near 5000.
This isn’t nostalgia right? I’m not misremembering how things were back then? If you weren’t at least at 3500 your test was underdosed.
Same. 76 and PP test gives me 4000 at 500mgs a week consistently. Gotta be quality of the src.
Could it be to do with Better Grade and Quality of Testosterone RAW's? Certainly seemed better to me years ago thats for sure.
Idk man. We didn’t have anywhere near the amount of product testing back then. But we did have some and I recall a much higher percentage of stuff coming back way underdosed or the wrong drug. We were really happy when the tren A would come back in the high 70s for purity lol. That was as good as it got back then. Today it seems like everything comes back perfectly dosed. Yet the test levels are consistently lower across the board.
I’ve also wondered if carrier oils, and Solvents play a factor in this
The formulation and carrier oils are the same now as they were years ago as far as I can remember.
I know a guy doctor prescribed 300mg ew of test for TRT and the highest hes ever been on that is 1100. I thought he was lying but he showed me some of his labs and his script. This is pharm grade test so obviously it’s not underdosed. You’re basically exactly double that on double the dose. Maybe you’re a similarly low responder. I dont see any other bloods from you to compare these results to. If you’ve never done bloods before then this may be normal for you and the gear may be fine. People just seem to metabolize test differently.
I thought that around a decade ago gso, cottonseed , and sesame were way more common. It seems like now most labs use mct. Also not sure if k4l uses eo or if they are strictly ba/bb
Before gear my total t was at 230-250 . 150mg of another source test had me at 730. Then i ran 500mg (posted on k4l discussion page ) which had me at 1965. And my current 2226
GSO was definitely most common back then. Cottonseed was popular. MCT was still very common back then. Couple of the big eastern European labs were and still are using peach oil, which makes some really smooth gear. I’m looking at a vial right now from 2015 that was Safflower oil which was some of my favorite gear.
You need more data from other sources to compare. I’d run a couple more sources and do bloods and see where you’re at. If you’re always around 2000 on 500mgs either youe very unlucky and have managed to get underdosed gear from everyone lol. Or more likely, that’s your bodies response to that dose.
93% PROFIT MARGIN ON ALL TESTOSTERONES BRO'S!!! - ROLL UP, ROLL UP!!
Hahaha exactly! I know my next business venture.... 14ml bottles of test I only fill to 10ml for a WHOPPING 110% profit margin.
A lot of ways to increase profit margins matey - 'It was all the machines fault, they did it!!!
I think along with telling people that the machines were miscalibrated, telling EVERYONE the profit markups you have on products is a blinder too!!!
Ranger3252I wonder if the machines ever overfilled anything Hmmmmm?
When I grow up and start a roid dealing business, I'm gonna use 92% of my 93% profit paying bitches to write my business name across their tits and making my minions guess her name. And then peg my ass while I sip chardonnay.
Rich man goals.
I almost feel like the 93% was pulled out of thin air as something that sounded reasonable/realistic to them. In reality it’s probably much more than even that with test esters.
Funny part admitting 93% profit margins while performing at this level and continually making rookie mistakes just added fuel to the already upset customer base.
Insane a company this big is choosing to continue to cut corners and rely on previous “raw quality/stability” instead of spending some of those profits to ensure what drugs they’re putting out during times of uncertainty.
Well, it’s not bunk so that’s something
Will be sending out sample for testing, in the meantime I’ll use another sources test and redraw bloods in 4 weeks.
Ranger3252It’s like speaking to Bernie Madoff or Charles Ponnzi with this dude
Not good
Holy moly. 93% profit margin. $300 minimum order lol.
The witch hunt continues… Look folks, yes, his result came back lower than expected. He’s going to send out a sample to the lab of his choice completely blind, and we’ll see how it comes back. We’ve had, what, three of these “lower than expected” testosterone results?
One of them already sent product to Jano and it came back perfectly fine. Another sent samples to both Jano and Analiza, and we’re waiting on those results. Now this customer is doing the same, blind, third party testing. That’s exactly how it should be handled.
We sell thousands of vials a month, a lot of those people get bloodwork too. Most people who test come back right where they should, they just don’t announce their personal health info on a forum. The few odd results get all the attention and suddenly it looks like an epidemic. It’s not.
We have over a 93% profit margin on Testosterone. It's not a drug that there is any incentive to under dose. This isn't 2005.
WOW - So with a Self confessed 93% Profit margin can you not find it within yourselves to reduce your prices a little then, especially during this difficult time? Or is it all a case of take Advantage of every poor bugger for all they are worth??!! PURE AND UTTER GREED IF EVER I HAVE SEEN IT.
Sad to see. Can’t support throwing it in faces after calling out corners they have cut.
Sucks cause I used to trust their kits. Never used the oils, but was a solid GH option, and was thinking about getting some more reta from them. Will continue to look around after this.
Lets just think about this, if you made a $300 minimum order for Testosterone then $279 is pure profit to them!!! And despite that vials still get shorted by 2ml and Lab Tests come back well short.
'Shit Sells - But who's Buyin?
apparently a lot of ppl I do also believe this was the source that was called out a month ago for having another account and blamed it on one of his moderators or admins some shit like that correct me if I'm wrong I know you'll remember @press1
I do remember something like that but couldn't say for sure if it was them as its not an SI that I follow mate - I only notice these posts as lately there are so many going up regarding their low dosed Testosterone showing up as crap in blood tests and obv everyone getting pissed off about it. Then there was the fact 100's of customers received 2ml shorted vials, so naturally there is tonnes of posting showing up in the heartbeat area which you cannot help but notice.
They seemed pretty legit at first and seemed to take pride in what they produced, but as with many once they begin hauling in the profits they get more and more greedy - looking at ways to make even more money out of customers, which given the amount of money they are already boasting about as profit margins on their products, I think its disgusting. I doubt they even train or use steroids themselves as they wouldn't be treating fellow steroid users like this trying to milk them for all they are worth.
Yeah man i honestly didn't think id see them take a turn like this it's really upsetting. I'm sure if you were on our side of the pond you'd have multiple orders with them. Hopefully things take a turn for the better! It's funny bc I'm sure all the fan boys think I'm a real hating a hole but if I showed pics of my orders in the past from kits I'm almost positive I'll have more than them.
Bro add and pm me I got you on a Reta source.
Yes. I used the one you sent me. Reta and igf1- lr3. Fucking amazing prices. Thanks so much dude!
This guy pounds MILF’s, so seems legit. If it was “GILFPounder” I may be even more inclined to believe ya though.
On a real note appreciate it! Sent @Gotem69
I mean there's some baddie gilfers running around out there....
Ranger3252Come on man just own up that you’re fucking up and fix it. The vials that YOU sent out that were under filled was not a mistake. People spend their hard earned money on a product that is supposed to be top quality and yet again another person with blood work proves you wrong. Get your house in order and stop playing the victim. Or someone in your organization is scamming you, either way you’re the CEO so it’s your mess.
You need to take up the under fill with the machine bro not Ben.....
Bada Bing bang boom
To be fair....witch hunt isnt a fair depiction.
Theres has been proven QA/QC issues. There has been underfilled viles. Also, your clarus 300 was tested under dosed test and contained mast p.
I am an impartial customer. I have not used your oils, but have had success with your GH and reta.
If I go to a steakhouse to order a 12 Oz filet and recieve an 6 Oz, rest assured, im going to question the reliability of the establishment.
Well you see sir we cook the steak on a high output grill that heats up to 500 degrees sir so the reason your steak has lost ounces is due to the new girl we installed we need to to adjust the setting i apologize for the inconvenience would you like to send your steak for another weighing option to are kitchen supply vendor?
Ohhh it tested with mast fuckin p!? But he has raws intermittently tested....
Calling it a witch hunt is just deflection, brother.
Nobody’s saying 100% of vials are bunk but when multiple guys start showing low bloods across different batches, it’s not coincidence anymore.
Sending one or two samples to a lab doesn’t erase the rest. Real transparency means consistency, not cherry-picked clean tests.
And profit margin talk doesn’t prove quality … it actually raises more questions when the cheapest raws and ‘12ml-labeled 10ml’ vials start showing up.
The other day a buddy from the forum hit me up in comment section asking about @smurfdude1234567 … he said something like: “K4L is always a solid choice for kits.”
I told him straight up, “Not anymore, bro. A lot has changed. Go check the posts and discussion thread.”
There’s no hate or witch hunt going on… it’s simple: deliver quality, and that shuts everyone up.
I wouldn’t argue or defend anything here. I was a customer before, and you guys are professionals… but right now, you’re making rookie mistakes.
That’s just my opinion though … and honestly, it doesn’t mean shit. I’m irrelevant in this forum, my friend.
If the product’s solid, the bloods will always defend you. No need to play the victim … just fix what’s off and earn the trust back. Simple as that.
Yep I appreciate you giving the heads up! Like you said rookie mistakes and showing their asses recently.
I never used their oils, but their kits used to be on point. Sad to see it especially with the 93% profit margins just mentioned. Hopefully it gets sorted sooner rather than later! So many SRCs have cut corners they didn’t get caught with in the past, but with current times it’s like tipping the first dominoes and now continually falling.
I run their gh and Reta as well. Haven’t had issues with their peps.
All these samples you're asking to be sent out to me it sounds like you aren't testing your raws? If you are let's see some proof today not in a month...
There is error being made somewhere still on yalls behalf.
Also @Killmongerthesecond and @OBinBaig007 why don't you lazy fucks comment on the post instead of hiding behind a downvote. You two are absolutely worthless.
What is the correlation between me asking for blind samples to be sent out and us not testing raws? We test raws intermittently, raw purity is rarely, if ever, an issue. Hence why the vast majority of our finished product samples come back within 5% variance (with some exceptions). The batch in question here came back within 5.42%.
Please link the raw testing that's been completed?
wtf are talking about I know several small ugl labs that test raws and are held accountable in doing so on another popular forum. I knew you'd come with some bullshit answer.
Batch in question:
https://janoshik.com/tests/80774-TEST_E_250mgml_XQ5CE3K2JA3X
Shit I had higher Test levels than that on 300mg from another source.
People still buying test from here after seeing low numbers, bloodwork after bloodwork and bloodwork. I get those numbers on 150mgs 3 days after pin and you can check my labs in my pics. I know that's not average and I hyper-respond, but 2200 is disgusting for 600mg.
Same here. Thank the heavens for pharma test. At least can always count on that and whatever gets piled on top just a bonus.