posted Sat, 04/21/2012 - 08:07
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Full, unopened 10ml bottle on the right. On the left was also 10ml, but less than half after 5 draws at .825ml-.85ml (hard to hit exact) each.
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The guys saying that up to 0.2mL are in the pin are correct! I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention - newbtard! Well, today I decided to get to the bottom of this debacle.
I draw with a 23g and pin with a 25g. As you, should, I draw back the plunger to get everything out of the 23g. I never really paid much attention until today. I'm drawing to roughly 0.833mL on the syringe, but once all that fluid is sucked back into the syringe, coincidently, I have exactly 1mL! So, even though I've intended to do 500mg/wk, I've actually been doing 600mg/wk. So, despite all this shit, it would appear that the vials are indeed 10mL! Fuck! haha
AnonI asked the same question last week. Same source lol. I have a spreadsheet to keep track of my doses. One bottle of test prop I got about 8 doses and I was only injecting 100mg/ml EOD. I was told you lose some in the syringe about 0.2ml each time. So 0.2 ml x 10 = 2 ml lost in syringe. I was also told if your just injecting 1ml at a time to use slin pin. Hope this helps any.
Im not saying your wrong, but 0.2 sounds like a lot to be lost in the dead space. Where did u get that information?
I beleive it is more like .02ml. And you don't need to lose any of it after your pull remove the pin from the bottle and pull in a bit of air like .1ml tilt the pin so it rises to the plunger side then when you inject the air will flush the pin, and you will here the woosh noise at the end and know its all in. Especially good for rthose glute shots you can't see too well.
That's the way I pin; with a little bubble of air to get it all out. I'm inclined to belive that .2ml is way over estimated. There is NO WAY your pin alone holds that much fluid.
Ye I thought it was like, 0.02-0.05 ish... ye I do that sometimes too with the air just depends on there I'm pinning etc. If I pin glutes sitting down I do that if I am standing up I don't bother, for what u actually lose I don't bother sometimes
I just do it for the noise to know its all in otherwise I'm still trying to push a plunger on an empty pin. It's just easier for me.
And why are you pulling .825-.850 per draw? Are you using a slin pin?
My opinion is, worry more about your diet and routine and if your short your last shot your cycle ended 3 days earlier than you wanted. If you keep sweating the amount in the bottle its gonna take your focus off what really matters and you will not get the results you could. Good Luck!
I'm drawing that amount because it's a 300mg/ml solution and I'm trying to work at around 500mg/wk. The range is to account for the lack of precision. The exact amount should be .833ml.
I'm not sweating it, but I did pay for 20ml. I think it's only right that I get what's advertised. I mean, it looks like at this point I might end up short 2.5ml=10ml-(9draws*.833ml) per vial. 25% less than advertised is quite bit!
Also, I appreciate your advice on diet and training, but my diet is spot on for my goals, and so is the way I train. I'm not new to either of those and have taken myself naturally from 165 lb BW to 250 LB and managed to stay fairly lean (16-18%BF) and considerably stronger than the average majority over the past seven years
You are sweating it. You took the time to take the pics and post this asking for opinions. I'm just letting you know from experience worrying so much over .833 -25% divide by..... is going to start fucking with your head and your routine. Now let me throw this into the equation your trying to do 500mg/wk based on that being dosed correctly at 300mg/ml. If they can't fill the bottle rite why would you think its dosed correctly. Buy another bottle and concentrate on your mission! Good Luck!
Anoni know what lab that is and i have heArd sombody else say this
That's interesting. I've thought about PMing him, but I don't know if it's worth it.
thats why you always order extra
jasonhor stock pile like me! im a steriod hoarder
jasonhya do know ya loose some in syringe with every shot? and is this ugl? think about it this stuff is mixed and packed in warehouses basements and kitchens so there just may be a few quality control issues so a ml off, id say no big deal when you consider the price that you get it for. im more worried about fake or underdosed than a single ml
Ye exactly. I'm definitly not bashing any sources or anything crazy from my comment, I mean it can be a small oversight, but I feel your pain when u order a certain amount for what u need, and then get a lil less and have to tweak your cycle and or order more. Although its always a good idea to order extra in case u drop and break one like I almost did half an hour ago!! And it's not the first time I have dropped and almost smashed one! lmao
Yeah, I can see a little loss, I guess. But still, like BennyBlanco pointed out below, I've only really drawn 4.1ml to 4.2ml total and it's more than half gone already. It's from a quality and highly regarded UGL source, so I'm not worried about it being faked or under dosed. I have a buddy bringing me a vial of a pharmaceutical grade test e in a couple weeks, so I'll make it through my cycle. I would rather be over filled, then under.
Actually a lot of the time UGL isn't cheaper than HG if u know the right place to get HG. When someone can't measure close to 10ml it makes u wonder..... lol
Ye it does look lower, u basically have drawn 4.1ml and it looks like there is less than that much left :@ :(
Right, so I'm not hallucinating?
Im confused at the point that is trying to be conveyed here. are you saying that its short? overfilled? or just a pic for the sake of it.
I'm saying it looks underfilled.
I'm probably hallucinating staring at it too long. It looks lower am I wrong?