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Ok. As promised here is test #2. Now this may seem redundant but the difference between the 2 tests is fasting. On the previous test I fasted, on this one I fasted but drank glucose gel, about 30 minutes before the test. Same protocol 6iu ED 3.5 hours before the test and tests taken at roughly the same time.
The reason for this test is simple, the disparity between the IGF-1 and Serum numbers grows larger with glucose (sugar) the number 620 is a great number but if many people saw the serum number of 7.2 alone they would think this product is less potent.
The moral of the story is: Stop looking at serum numbers as a sign of purity, even IGF1 and IGFBP3 are only a reference.
These products need to be tested independently for purity. Sources willing to submit these products to this type of testing are the ones who should be collecting a large amount of your money. More on this soon.
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Thanks for posting. I appreciate it just did some myself I think I'm starting to not like getting poked lol.
Sorry boys, I was out with the mute big. Looks like there's a lot going on. Instead if trying to catch up let me just say that the only way to know the contents of the vial is to run igf and have the purity confirmed by a lab such as SIMEC. Anything can be faked, but everything can be tested by a lab.
P2i2tthank you very much for your contributions time and money generator. There are many of us that appreciate this very greatly. I'm also thinking about running separate protocols and testing same batches to see how it affects numbers.keep doing what you are doing bro.+
Just doing what I can my man.
thanks for sharing brother!
You bet.
Have a question ...... just for the sake of argument, as I'm sure the product contains the declared amount of high quality GH -
IGF1 can be easily manipulated, just like GH, for instance (just a fiction example) the vial mayu contained IGF1LR3 which is much cheaper then GH, and this may explain the low GH score compared to the high IGF1 score ....
Why you honestly think that the IGF1 test is superior to GH serum test then ?
Of course the IGF1 score indicates directly on the clinical effect, but again it may be easily manipulated
Id like to hear some info from others on that subject while we wait for those SIMEC results... .)
i read your original message already, and u r right, the IGF1 level rise in 3 hours after the injection of gh. i had 2 tests which can prove this, i will post later
Lol.... It was a VERY lengthy post.....I don't think most understand......so I edited it
IGF1 elevation...yes...it increases similar to GH Serum, but is more stable. (GH Serum is unstable with a very short half/life)
Good to see someone else gets it
i read it very carefully ,so i understand.
i saw your daily labs with igf1 level, so i sent 2 testers to run GH and IGF1 test after first injection . both IGF1 level elevated . coz what u said and what u did r quite reasonable, so i just steal it.lol
thanks all the time
That's really great. I didn't think anyone really believed me. :))
It's not the normal information you see on all the Steroid Forums on the internet. So I don't think most understand that some of that information is misleading or inaccurate.
i always follow your opinion, and i think its reasonable. so i run the blood test to check this, this time from a female
https://www.eroids.com/pics/female-igf1-test-after-1-pin-on-godt240
The issue I asked u about is WHAT IF one puts IGF1LR3 (or similar) to the GH vial (in order to manipulate the test), how it reflects itself on an IGF1 serum test ;)
I also ask customers to adhere to IGF1 tests, as it is the indicator to the clinical effect of the GH to patients (just like you HailRazor mnstioned!)
P2i2tpersonally I wouldn't believe that igf lr3 would raise the levels that much in just 3 hours considering the chain is such a long chain and a long half-life. It's not like DES which is actually more powerful and much faster acting. Lr3 raises igf slowly over the course of the day...pretty sure not within a 3 hour window. But then again I'm just hypothesizing.
I agree with you P.....I haven't seen any proof of IGF-1....
So I'm hearing the new thing is a HGH/ IGF1 mixture.....LMAO.....maybe
The "Generic GH" steroid forum testing has always been very entertaining. Very vague blood work..no real testing...lots of guessing
If you look at my blood work I did for the two main generic GH products sold here.....the Steroid Forum GH Testing Gurus would SWEAR it's some new Chinese Pep Mix
But I backed BOTH tests with a legit GH Protein Lab Analysis (Accredited Lab)
Elevated, but Low GH Serum according to Steroid Forum Standards.....Doubled my IGF-1 after only one SubQ (impossible by Forum Standards. Must be IGF-1 pep mix)
It just freaks everybody out because it's not the "Normal Protocol"
I've figured this out awhile back after finding info from an actual medical study. You can't just simply 'Google' this information. That just brings you to '4 Fingers' GH Serum Testing Buffet.
Steroid Forum GH Serums are funny to watch...23ng/mL means it's Pharma Quality...says who?! Lilly?! Lol...show me an actual medical study proving that and I'll send the winner an authentic Dr Lei Jin Kit. :))
But, because of Generic GH being so Inconsistent ..... I highly recommend more real Lab Testing Vs Blood Work on BOTH products. The product quality can change and Blood Work can only go so far
Agreed, and what I suggested from start - serum tests gives an indication, these are not an accurate measurement, certainly not for the quality.
IGF1 is used indeed in pharmaceutical trials to asses the clinical effect of the GH, so gives a better indication then GH serum tests
full lab tests should be applied, like posted on form batch of the Somastim -
https://www.eroids.com/pics/full-usp-tests-on-somastim-compared-to-nordo...
Boom! Exactly....more real Lab Analysis....followed by a very simple IGF1 to confirm.
no more 10iu IM - 3.5hr "GH Protocol"
Just keep it simple. And the results should be cut n dry.
Also Karl, if you look at my SIMEC GH Tests (mg/IU) and compare some of my GH Serum results....it'll confirm that GH Serum results do not reflect concentration accurately (10ng/mL VS 17.9 IU)
But, All Steroid Forums would state the opposite.... But none if them are doing real Lab Analysis.
The GH Protein Analysis states my samples are legit GH, not IGF-1 LR3
Clinical studies confirm GH elevates IGF1 quickly....Steroid Forums seem to state the opposite. Again, lots of misinformation out there
I'm only one voice amongst an entire internet of GH Gurus! Lol
You're one of the few or only sources posting lab analysis. (HGH) There needs to be more of that type of testing and less vague blood work that isn't designed to show quality HGh
Gotcha.... And that's a good question....but....I haven't seen any blood work that shows a "peptide" doubling IGF1 levels when testing 3 hours later after one SubQ inject. (GH elevates IGF1 immediately)( maybe you can post a link. I'd be interested to see)
Honestly, most of the IGF-1 LR3 I see being sold is poor quality or bunk. (From what I see anyway)
Pep elevation example:
Originally, GH Serum Testing was an easy, quick, cheap test to show the substance to be a growth hormone protein. (There are a range of Growth Hormone Proteins including 176aa) Over time, the "numbers" morphed into some important meaning on Steroid Forums. i.e. 32.8 ng/mL "great number"
Both 'Generator's' IGF1 and IGFBP3 are elevated
But, blood work is only an "indicator"......testing the product itself followed by blood work is the best protocol
There's always been the conspiracy of the infamous "Peptide Mix" that mimics rhGH.
Maybe so....but I think it's more Mimic GH (192aa) or more often just low/medium quality GH (cheaply made MW 22+k) (High % impurities/other proteins)
Cheap, low quality GH will always raise GH Serums
Very informative guys thanks. Plus big props to kral for jumping in. It's always great when other src gets in the mix shows that they really care about what goes on here.
They should make a special tag for you here "GH GURU". I have learned so much from reading your posts. You are such a huge asset to our community. Thank you for all you do brother!
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totally agree, i learned a lot from his post and i run the blood to prove his opnion
Wow interesting jump in igf without fasting.
I think you have put to rest the serum test. Nice job my friend. I appreciate your contributions to eroids it's been helpful to me! +1
Hey man, I get the same benefits from watching your posts.
Thanks for the info and knowledge! Helps alot always
+1 igf1 only way to go
so your igf was higher when eating carbs?
Yes. Taking a shot of apple juice after some fasted cardio and Hgh can go a long way.
acmilan1307It's not always about the igf levels sometimes. Hgh is hard to test on blood because it goes up and down all the time throughout the day
Indeed, and as shown above is also affected by what you eat.