posted Sun, 12/06/2015 - 06:00
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+ 4 Igf-1 from black top test kits
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I was running these for about 4 weeks. 10 iu's a day, 5iu first thing in the am n 5iu right before bed. I didn't have a single welt from these kits. My body felt pretty good while I was on them. A little to soon to tell if my body fat has dropped. My sleep has been very good, my hands didn't swell up or fall a sleep at all. For the most part these kits felt clean. I'd recommend these kits to anyone that's in the market for generic gh.
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I'm doing the yellow top ang. Just started
10 iu 5x a week. I'll test after a month of doc let's me. I don't wanna pay for it
Let us know how you feel on 10iu. I hear a lot of people can't handle the sides on high doses
Well hopefully legit.
no sides yet but only 30iu so far.
Deep sleep though
My test kits got seized lol so much for testing
Will there be anymore IGF1s done on the kits that the GH Serums were done?
I know there was some "controversy" about the GH Serums.....but posting the IGF1s as a follow-up would be good.
Not to bash or promote a particular kit.....more of a learning experience. Wonder if KIG would be ok with that
Hes reshipping the blacks to me as far as the other kits no unless your just doing it to do it
I know the red tops had different IGF1 result compared to the GH Serum. Didn't know if any other IGF1s were done to compare the GH Seums to
hunteron20sI posted the gh serum for those same black tops and im pulling igf1 2morrow .5iu ed 3 weeks is all i did .so we can see what mine is as well
(GH Serums) 21.4 for you and 65 for P.
Both of you running 5ius will be a good comparison
Thanks H
hunteron20sWelcome no problem ..
P2i2tI am pulling mine on Saturday. Been running 5iu per day split 2.5 AM / PM for about 3 weeks. I wanted to run them and pull blood levels while running amounts that most people would be running them at so I would get more "real world results." Most people are not going to be running these at 10 per day. Seeing this number while running 10 iu, what are we expecting with 5?
At 5IUs.....IGF1 should be in this range that's posted. If the results are lower.....it would show that the black tops (pin wheel) are consistently underdosed and GH Serums are officially BS
+1 thanks for testing
golani13correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt 489 IGF-1 levels pretty low for 10iu a day?
Yes....but this is common with Generics. Even the "popular" Generics have already had issues (low IGF1 results, reactions from injections-welts) They all are inconsistent
Did you do a GH Serum on these? Also, were these the same Black Tops that had the crazy high GH Serums? (30-50ng/mL)
I was really curious to see the IGF1 on these.
Another solid post showing GH Serums can be misleading.
At 10Ius per day.....IGF1 seems low (underdosed at 2.5IUs per vial....not 10Ius)
Probably a high quality GH but just underdosed. That's normally how they do it to sell at the low price point.
Thanks for posting A
Correct me if I'm wrong bro - but If we refer to the same black tops with "crazy" high GH serum results, then this IGF1n case reflects low quality GH and overdosed quantity ? A serum test of above 50 with high quality GH will reflect itself in much higher IGF1 result, you don't think after all that in some of the black top vials the Chinese put very high quality GH, and in some very low quality GH but overdosed them ?!
Rustyhookerhere we go yet again with karl on somone else's source post to drum up business
If I'm not allowed to post here tell me or delete it, was certainly not about breaking any rule, this is strictly a relevant remark
It's my duty to drum up business, as well as contributing to the community, however I stick to science and facts
RustyhookerSo when TRUST HGH comes onto your hgh post to drum up business, will that be okay?
We both know you'd flip out screaming for a mod. Its tacky and unprofessional.
It's all good rusty. I'd never order from him EVER. He doesn't seem to have good communication skills n when a client confronts him about something, he tends to jump down there throat like a D*ck. I have good experiences/relationships with the two sources I use for hgh. It is pretty lame though that he does have to come on other sources posts to try n drum up
Some business.
I apologize too A if I "hijacked" your post
I have a bad habit of "lengthy" responses
I really appreciate the IGF1 follow-up
I'm not sure if everyone fully understands the GH Serum/IGF1 comparison.....but....it's really some great info
Thanks again Brutha
I don't remember that I've talked to you or had any issue with you, correct me if I'm wrong
Pls refer me us to anywhere I jumped on any customer ?!
I think that my remark was in place, I haven't disrespected or questioned your tests, I have never tested these products or expressed any opinion on them, my post relates to the correlation between the GH serum tests and the IGF tests results as shown by you and other recent tests on this product, just like Hailrazor mentioned
So you paid for these kits ?
I've never had a issue with your or spoke through your si or pm.
There was a time you ran a promo n couldn't keep up with the demand. You started promising trackers n items weren't even sent. Few mods had to step in to clear things up if you recall? I personally don't have any issues with you. I just don't like how you went about things at time I mentioned.
I think these #s are good for generics that will possibly price a little over $100. Toptop sent me these kits for free to test. I'm not crying over it by anymeans. All I had to do is test n share my experience.
RustyhookerThere's just a professional way to do business. And there's the "used cars" types.
Plenty of buyers and no need to get derailed.
I'm not sure why a source can't participate in a debate ?! My post referred to what Hailrazor posted, and he replied to me, I don't think I broke any rule or showed any non ethic activity, but damn I really regret I stepped in based on your attitude
My apologies
I shouldn't have used the word "quality"
Blood work can't show that (sorry)
Most of the Black Top GH Serums were high...but not all of them tested very high
(Only the good numbers get posted. This is true for all Steroid Forums. This adds to the confusion of GH Serums having some importance in quality or strength)
The recent GH Serums being posted lately ranges from single digits to very high serum results
It just shows how IGF1 doesn't reflect the GH Serum Results
Another member informed me his IGF1 was at 495
(apprx) after 2.5 weeks of 10ius daily (5iu split)
His GH Serum was only 6.9ng/mL (different testing kit)
Another member had a GH Serum of 30ng/mL
His IGF1 barely elevated if it even elevated at all (green top)
I think you are assuming that because of the different GH Serum results....each Black Top vial contains a different amount of GH?
It's not that each individual Black Top Vial is different (maybe)....it's the GH Serum results are inconsistent.... Person to Person....Test to Test
There is no "Science" with the GH Serum results
IGF1 reflects mg/IU according to a Nordi tropin study. Key word "reflects"
I think maybe the confusion is GH Serum being compared to Testosterone Serum?
I dunno...but posting these IGF1 results just proves my point....maybe everyone is still confused?
GH Serum Steroid Forum Myth:
Read this
Link:
http://www.somatropin.cn/hghtest.html
As I follo your posts I learn a lot. Another aspect is this, which I actually learned from you. Say he did 20 in a day. Would that be saying that at that dosage his igf levels would be doubled? At what point is there diminishing returns ? I watch you hail!
I think the member on here named evol and some numbers after that has a great idea. Testing different brands hgh for a time period. Then testing the igf levels so he can get an accurate reading. That way there will be less "variance" because it's the same person.
I'm going to do the same, posted bloods on angtropin, and today I have pin the first dose of somastim, I will posting bloods in one month
20ius in only one day? Or per day? I'm not sure I follow.
A lower constant dose would "stabilize" (saturation) quicker compared to 10+IUs
At a constant dose of 10IUs his IGF1 should be higher after 4 weeks
You can see an example of that with my ANG blood results (6IUs in 8 days)
EVOL testing is a good comparison
For me....I've done many different tests using Pharma. So I know where my IGF1 should be at different doses
Using the 5IU/8day test is a quick test comparison (480-500 -IGF1)
Sorry. I was typing real fast. I meant his levels are at this at the 10 iu dose. Say he was doing 20 iu a day for the entire time instead of 10 iu . Is that to say his igf would be doubled? Say he cut it to 5 iu. Is that to say his igf would be cut in half. What I'm getting at, and you've talked about this before in some of your posts. At what dosage do we see diminishing results versus the dosage were taking. You get what I'm getting at ? Just trying to learn more and mor about hgh. I'm fairly new to it. Only been studying it for about a year now.
Even though he reconstituted the vial and administered as 5/10IUs. It's not actually 10IUs (3.33mgs) according to the IGF1
This has been the big debate (GH Serum/ IGF1 Serum)
Dosing at 20IUs (more isn't always better)
Thanks hail! These are the same black tops that posted crazy high serum numbers. Serums are very misleading as we saw from these kits. I was happy with these #s for generics. Not having any of these negative sides a lot people speak about was key for me.
Yea, the IGF1 is the better indicator. The GH Serums have been "insanely" inconsistent. Which is good.....hopefully we've learned something.
(GH Serums indicated "overdosed".....IGF1 indicates it's actually underdosed)
The elevated IGF1 at 480+.....I'm guessing you've been injecting 2.5IUs (.84mgs) twice daily. (Low dose / no sides)
SIMEC has one of these
My guess is these contain only 5IUs per vial and not 10ius per vial. Let's see if I'm as good as SIMEC
Ya id say youre spot on, 450-500 on a legit 5ius per day seems to be prettty common. Wtf though, how in gods name do these produce a 50-65 serum but igf-1 reflects 50% underdosing. What the hell is in this stuff. What chemical can dramatically raise serum 3-5 hours post injection? Could it be possible its filled with alot of "dead" gh? That will raise serum but not igf-1.
It's the LabCorp testing method brutha. Not the GH or GHish.
Sending a sample to SIMEC (mg/IU) Vs Sending a blood sample to LabCorp
Night n Day results....not the same.....not to mention GH absorption, short half-life (unstable)
The recent GH Serums prove how inaccurate they are to determine strength or potency
The recent IGF1 Serums (without injecting an entire vial before testing) seem to be more stable and accurate
EXAMPLE:
I've personally injected 10-15IUs of Pharma GH
GH Serum ranged from 8-30+ng/mL (10-15Iu IM 3.5 Hr)
The GH Serum results did not reflect the dosage accurately
Also, and this is very important, we don't always see every GH Serum result
The Black Tops are no different. Not all the GH Serums were extremely high
Elevated or even slightly elevated GH Serums only indicate a GH Protein....that GH Protein isn't always Somatropin. LabCorp cannot distinguish that.
I think LabCorp uses different testing methods (per location)....this could also be a factor. I've seen the same issues with Test Serum also. Isn't there some Algorithm (10X) to determine Mg dose for Testosterone?