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+ 4 HGH (is it all it’s cracked up to be?)

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1st off let me start out by saying the packaging and delivery from this company is TOP NOTCH. But, I’ll leave that for a proper review.

I start HGH next week after the holidays and wanted to get some of the seasoned HGH guys in here.

1st time using. Any suggestions in terms of dosing, timing, etc. I’ve done extensive research but always up to here anecdotal input.

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Black90tsi's picture

First thing to do is go get your base line igf numbers tested. There's not much point in taking gh if you're only replacing what you already make on your own. The point is to get yourself above what you can do alone. Starting with 2 iu per day is pretty standard. Then titrating up by .5-1 iu per week until you get to whatever dose you're aiming for. Doing it slowly should help to avoid most of the negative sides people complain about. Everyone says you need to take it for months to notice anything. I didn't find that the case at all. Within a couple days of starting i noticed my recovery from the gym was much faster. Within 24 hours i felt completely ready to work the same muscle group again. No soreness at all. By the 2nd night i was sleeping better. Within the first couple weeks i noticed my nails and beard were growing faster too.

Big Papa Pump's picture

Yes, I get bloodwork done frequently, that’s a great point. This is great insight. Do you dose before bed?

Black90tsi's picture

i've tried all sorts of different dose timing/splits. First thing AM before the gym, right before bed, split between the 2 and am/afternoon/pm. I've done anywhere from 2-10 iu splitting doses and 1 large shot. Other than getting tired if i did a larger shot in the am i really didn't notice any differences between the different protocols in how i felt nor in my igf numbers. Some guys will tell you that anything over 5 iu at a time is a waste. I'm no expert but i didn't notice any difference between doing 10 iu before bed and splitting it up into am/pm or 3 times per day. I think the main thing is to just get it in you consistently. For me the main benefits were decreased recovery times and more restful sleep. Though i did notice myself getting leaner even in a calorie surplus when i got up to 8-10 iu. These days i just do my whole dose before bed every night.

Claudezilla's picture

Hgh can be a great addition to the arsenal but it has to be run consistently long term 6 months minimal and if you want actual growth what nobody tends to mention all the pros running it are running it along side a very dangerous and extremely taboo compound that I will not mention that and the fact they pumping 10-20iu’s daily…basically what I’m saying is don’t expect to blow up or drastically grow from a “ trial” run of hgh but on the other hand it is great for recovery sleep hair/nail growth fat burning and skin elasticity I personally love the stuff good luck to ya brother

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Big Papa Pump's picture

Hey thanks man, and yeah I have no interest in ever touching the mystery compound. Will keep dosing of HGH very moderate. Just looking for help with recovery and nutrient partitioning tbh. Especially during this bulk! Appreciate it!

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

For me mk677 works better.
You'll probably see more with mk677 faster too. Neither one is gonna change your genetics though. So it isn't magic. Just a small, tiny even... help.

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irongame427's picture

With how cheap it is today it’s worth it. Back when generics were 4x the price they are today it was more iffy. The results were not always worth the cost. But at well under a buck an iu It’s worth spending $2 a day or whatever to stay much leaner on a bulk or even lose fat. Plus the anti aging benefits, recovery, the 3d look. Not everyone gets much in terms of muscle growth though. So higher doses may not be worth it. It really takes about 3 months to start doing anything significant to your physique. You’ll notice other stuff before that though.

3-4ius ed before bed is a solid dose for fat loss and the other things I mentioned, and maybe a little muscle. If the ultimate goal is muscle gain you’ll want to work up to double that or a little more. Start at 1iu ed for 2 weeks, then if all good go to 2ius ed for another 2 etc. take it all before bed regardless. Thats how you avoid insulin sensitivity problems.

Big Papa Pump's picture

This is gold, def taking this going to implement this

Big Papa Pump's picture

Thanks so much man. That’s exactly what I’ll be doing. Start at 1 and titrate up. Do you ever notice any fatigue the next day from taking it before bed as opposed to fasted in the morning? Trying to avoid fatigue best I can.

irongame427's picture

I think you’d be more tired during the day taking it fasted in the morning. But You don’t want to take it fasted in the morning. There’s only 1 practical way to do that and not fuck up until your insulin sensitivity. You’d need to set an alarm for like 3hrs before you wake up, take it and go back to sleep. Then when you wake up do your cardio and an hour after waking you can finally eat. You would need to inject it IM as well since it kicks in faster and peaks faster. And maybe after 4hrs it would be out of your system enough. But idk why anyone would go through the trouble for no additional benefit compared to taking it at night. Take it subq at night right before you to to sleep. Subq takes alot longer to kick in and it has a more gradual peak so it’s still in full effect 8hrs later when you wake up and do cardio. For me it seems the fat loss has been better since taking it at night.

Petecastiglione's picture

Couldn’t agree more

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Petecastiglione's picture

Yes it is. I prefer before bed, better for insulin levels and better sleep quality. Will keep you leaner and it has a synergistic effect with gear that allows you to get a lot more of your dose. Meaning, you can lower gear dosages and get the same results as on higher with less sides. That’s my experience

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Big Papa Pump's picture

Def going to give the before bed timing a go. Thank you

Big Papa Pump's picture

Def going to give the before bed timing a go. Thank you

Codeman253's picture

Let us know how you like it! I just ordered some mast p from these guys

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Big Papa Pump's picture

I def will!

trennythingspossible's picture

Dosage and timing depends on your goals with HGH brother. If it’s for some crazy growth well then 10 ius a day split into 2 doses one am and one pm. If it’s just for the improvement of sleep, recovery, lipolysis, nutrition partitioning, and so that your other PED’s are more effective, then right before bed is full dose is best imo, but a lot of people will say before fasted cardio, at that point it’s up to you. I don’t do before fasted cardio personally because it makes me sleepy after. For dosing 2-5 iu’s per day is pretty standard, titration of 1iu until you reach desired dose to mitigate any unwanted sides. A common side is the feeling of carpal tunnel in the hands but for most that goes away within a couple weeks. Water retention will go up but it won’t be by much as long as your GH is high quality, which with this source it will be. Besides that you may want to check your fasted glucose every once in a while especially at high doses to ensure your insulin sensitivity isn’t getting whack. I take Reta in low doses to offset that and my fasted glucose is always normal. If you have any more questions I’m happy to elaborate brother just lmk!

Jockstrap's picture

Body does nothing at 10iu without that taboo killer

trennythingspossible's picture

I agree with you. For 99% of people nada it’s a waste of money, if you’re an ifbb pro with good genetics then yea. But for you and me, worthless

Big Papa Pump's picture

Hey thanks for the insight! I’m also on a very low dose of Reta myself. I’m def trying to avoid the fatigue feeling people talk about. I tried tesamorelin a while back before bed and it made me exhausted the next day. Cut the dose in half, still crushed my energy. Hoping this will be different.

trennythingspossible's picture

I’m taking real low dose Reta, things going great, all parameters and bloodwork very nice, and above all else I feel good which imo is more important than anything

Jockstrap's picture

Double dosing reta and hgh....you better have glucose meter. Or die. Yolo

Big Papa Pump's picture

Ok

trennythingspossible's picture

They’ve got those puppies on Amazon for pretty cheap, they also have continuous glucose monitors for decent prices. One of those things that’s like better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

Big Papa Pump's picture

Was just googling them, going to grab one. Thanks for the heads up l. Def better off being on top of it

trennythingspossible's picture

I’m with you on that one. At 4iu a day I’m content with the benefits I get. Been at that dose for 6 months now and everything looks good, before that I was at 3iu for like 4 months, and before that 2iu for a year. So basically therapeutic doses the whole time, though 4iu is definitely high end of medical therapeutic doses lol

trennythingspossible's picture

Just got a look at your profile picture, love it made me crack up lol

Aggieguy's picture

I have not used their HGH but I can tell you the other stuff I have used like DHB, HCG, Reta have all been top notch.

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Big Papa Pump's picture

Yeah I’ve heard good things about these guys