My point on that was the quantity 8iu and the fact it was SubQ. There are connections between IGF-1 levels and subduing endogenous GH Secretion, but don't think that will affect exogenous levels though?
I'd still go with the 10iu IM, this seems to be the standard the other forums I have researched are using. You also should take into consideration the study you are basing all this off, was done to show the results of their new Cool.Click needle free device and would be geared toward showing positive results with that method which may have limitations on how much it can deliver subQ. Also in regards to the IGF peaks, they show about the same from 22 hrs on through 34, in order to maintain consistent schedule I would simply schedule my test 3.5 hrs after my normal injection time and not worry about switching injection times. Just pin 10iu both days. Realize though there have been negative sides at that dosage level.
i seen your posted info, and glad you did to confirm 3.5 hours is the right time to test peak plasma and my igf after a week should be high and im testing for both.
i just got 6 some .com.cn samples sent to me to test, i mixed the second i opened the box (gh still warm, bac was from fridge), anyhow it took a solid 4 minutes or more to mix with a gentle swirl, looks promising. anyone know what happened to hygetropin.CN
tribals, i tried contacting them a couple times asking about bulk pricing an no response and i heard they were shut down during the gh factory raids few weeks ago. they always responded so idk if its true but i know for fact, the tribal tops are pharma level or damn near it. .com.cn claims they are pharma quality now, thats why im testing them.
This is the disclaimer at the bottom of the Hygetropin.cn website: "Hygetropin.cn site is not affiliated with in any way with any pharmaceutical companies"
hygetropin.cn (dr.lin) tribal top are the elite, or were anyway, they may have been shut down during the raids a few weeks ago, hygetropin.com.cn is who told me that info,i cant confirm or deny it but ive tried to email them a few times in the past week or so (.cn) and no response and ive always gotten a response. these .com.cn samples i got mix great, solid 3-4 minutes of gentle swirl(very good sign). i have a 12 day supply of them and im gonna do blood testing for igf-1 levels and gh plasma next week and see what i get for numbers, im running at 4iu/day/split. if these are pharma grade as .com.cn says then this will be plenty to give me sides and show high numbers on testing. fingers crossed. also rips seem to be putting out great lab results but all of the testing ive seen done are done inconsistently . if anyone knows a good source for rips please pm me and i'll do labs on those as well and see who wins the competition i guess
Me too! They "feel" good at 2iu. I'm sleeping well, always hungry, feel good! We'll see what the #s say? Have you seen Frankie's new web site and additions? Nice, wish I had more cash right now! LOL ;-p
Yeh I took a look today. Got 700iu of hyges to work through before I get to try the anything else though. May get more bloods done later in the year with correct protocol so I can get a better picture.
Cool, there seems to be a few people interseted in this so we can all get a lil information and help everyone. I should have Bloods for Myo's new HGH next week.
2 years is a long time bro. maybe they are setting up to fool a lot of people off the back of good rep. Then it all goes down the shitcan again idk. Get some, do bloods and if all is good grab some before it all goes down the can again. I just wish these folks would see the long game and make decent profit over a long time. Seems to me they just set folks up an grab the money an run, who knows!?
I guess being a doctor would help. Not to mention 2+ 2= 4....your are right in that my estimations may be off but common sense prevails if he inject a 1/3 essentially and got that reading then what would it have been and for 10iu... But make no mistake you are dead wrong in that your pin and test 3.5hrs later! I'm not an endo rather an internist I'll admit but I have a strong understanding from using it and medical school.
I disagree with all this timing and dosing(this info is from my doctor) stuff if you are taking real hgh consistanly on a daily basis you will have high numbers period.lets look at say test through the week there is a definate flux in levels but they are all extremly high if your taking real test, so say you take prop at 7am on monday and do bloodwork at 3 that afternoon you might have say 1500 if you test again at 3 the next day you might be at say 1100 different but both high elevated numbers meaning real test. sorry but same thing goes for hgh imo and my doctors opion. so again i ask does anyone know what low, normal and high range on hgh blood serum is?
Google half life of HGH. We are talking in hours and minutes rather than days like with test esters. So levels are not going to be stable unless you are pinning several times a day. Dont take everything that your doctor says as gospel. And if he knows so much, surely he will have the answer to your question.
i understand that the half lives of hgh are much shorter, what im saying is if you are supplementing with a sufficient level of hgh daily you will have elevated igf reading. and jacking 10iu of hgh and running in and testing imo isnt going to tell ya quality of hgh(if quarter dosed crap that amount will still show a high number) yes i will ask doc about blood serum but since i just did bloodwork that will be 3 months from know. From what ive so far found on hgh blood serums levels (nothing) and no one realy knowing what the high,low ,or normal numbers range is ill stick to igf numbers that i understand and seem to be most commonly used in medical field (4iu of kigs daily produced 141 igf level that is low low enough for doc to say throw away what im pinning it is 100% fake not underdosed fake) and im realy not trying to start alot of controversy what im asking is what does your lab results mean? is it good hgh or bad thats all
Normal level would be 0.8ug/L . My level was 6.5ug/L even given the poor timings of the pinning relative to bloods being drawn. Also I had not been able to rest prior to bloods being drawn so all in all I would say it was a good result. High IGF levels are only an indicator of elevated GH levels a fact well known among fakers of HGH who will use GHRP6 instead of HGH to make people think they have HGH. Only sure test is GH serum or analysis of product.
the fakes must be something other than ghrp6, you ever see that stuff mix? blink of an eye its gone and clear, no more than 2 seconds, alll these fakes are mixing very fast but not close to that fast, idk wtf theyre puttin in there but ghrp6 i wouldnt think so, could be wrong, could be mixed in slower dissolving powder. i ran my share of diff flavors of china gh and none of them gave me ghrp6 effect like extreme hunger( im running it right now along with cjc).
I wasn't suggesting sole use of ghrp6, rather just an addition to the mix including fillers etc etc. Having said that the tais and kigs I had mixed almost instantly in less than a second.
The 7/15/2011 kigs I have mix slow like the Hygetropin.com.cn and the New Myo HGH I just got. You have to slowly swirl them. IGF-1 L3 I have dissolves in a second.
My hyges.com.cn take a good 2-3 minutes at least to completely disolve. I had kigs with batch number 20011.7.15 and they mixed in under a second. I think the kigs batch numbers are just BS and are part of the scam. Some guys get good GH with that number so everybody else assumes because they have that batch number they have good GH too.
Yea, I don't know Bro, you gotta be a fucking detective with this shit! LOL ;-P
That could be how they do, that way some people post good # and keep you buying.
Do you swirl them or just let them sit?
you got the right thinking, sensitive as possible, impatience will destroy gh. unless you have kigs or tais or asunme or ip yellows or geys, shake the shit out of them, theres no gh in there anyhow lol
thanks for that info, think ill give em a try just so careful know as have lost so much money on fakes, also despite what ive heard ill trust my body also, i know got terrible carpal tunnel syptomes when had real thing (4iu)and no sides from the fakes took kigs all the way to 10 iu a day with no effects, also slept like baby with vivid dreams and got lot of water bloat especially around ankles on real thing. im guessing you got em from nice Chinease lady?
Here are standard HGH Serum levels from 1 testing facility:
Males: 0.01-0.97 ng/mL
Females: 0.01-3.61 ng/mL
So his reading of 6.5 is HIGH
I've read alot of articles that say IGF-1 #s can be affected by many other factors other than HGH so IMO it requires multiple test information: HGH Serum, IGF-1, T3 Uptake, Protein....
I am still trying to figure this out. You run 500-1000mg/wk of test and you know the results.... sort of, Exercise levels, diet, sleep, condition your body is currently in, bf% all affect final results. IMO there are just as many or more factors that will determine your final results with HGH also. Shot timing, T3, T4, Insulin, Protein intake, exercise..... it makes my head spin. And thats if you know the HGH is good.
How about all the people that are mixing wrong, shaking, or not storing cold even before mixing.....
These are things I think of when someone says its bunk after 2 weeks - or 2 months. What were their expectations, protocols, did they ever lift a fucking weight or just expect an HGH miracle? Who knows? You'll here "I used 10iu the first day and didn't feel anything, no change, Its Bunk!".
More Bloods and real info is what we all need to better understand the affects and results that HGH can provide.
Thanks Again for posting these bloods.
You never did say were these .com.cn or .cn?
thanks, i was having trouble finding the numbers you provided, yes id say almost twice the high end of normal level would mean good hgh. think what some people that posted below dont understand is there are differnt was of repoting the measurements of these levels(same as test) the reporting can very from lab to lab. so make sure you using the same measuring system when compairing reports. doubt the rips at 33(yes i saw that report 2) was using the ng/ml measurment of serum level that would be like 10 times high normal level
Sorry, you did 1st post, didn't mention the source. But thats been figured out! LOL ;-P
Good Luck! Keep us posted the more information we all share the better our results. Like I said I'll try and talk my doc into HGH levels on my TRT Bloods.
If you want to talk source then PM me Pat. You know when I first booked GH test I wasn't realy too bothered about whether it was good or bad HGH. All I realy wanted to know was if it was HGH at all, since had already been fucked over once and had 2 further fake loads that I had sent back. One thing I would say is if it doesnt pass the boil test then don't even waste your money on getting bloods done. I have learned quite a lot in the process though and also from the contributions in this thread. For me that's what it's all about. I am happy to share information with anybody.
You should venture outside this forum or try googling it and my "broscience" will be indeed factual. Wtf, you truly don't know jack bout growth do you?
Gh peaks at 3-3.5 hrs after IM injection. With sub-q it's 4 hrs. This dude pinned at 6am 8am and 10am. And he said he got his blood drawn at 11. He did it sub-q so at 3iu those numbers would have peaked from the 6am shot. The 8 would have added another 65% per say and the 10am shot would have almost not influence the test at all. So at 6ng and 3iu I would say if he pinned protocol 10iu for test then most likely his numbers would have been 2.10 higher at 20ng or so. There's also the figure of the 8am shot so tech to account for that he would be at 17 or so. So I'd say it's good gh but def not RIPS.
There are other influences that may have efected the result. The GH test is supposed to have been done after resting for 30 mins. After being stuck in trafic I had to walk about a mile at brisk pace to reach my appointment on time. Not exactly an all out workout I admit, but then again it's definately what you would call resting.
Been burned too buddy so I know what it feels like. You know you can never say 100% in this game. It's changing all the time. Good gear brings these companies good rep. Then they start pumping out shit and ripping people off on the back of their rep. For me while its good I'm grabbing some. Then will review the situation before I take the next plunge.
i for 1 dont know how to read gh bloodserum results and we seem to be getting alot of opionions on factual numbers stimmer posted. so will someone who understands these serum numbers please clear it up for me what are concidered high numbers and what are low numbers (igf numbers i understand) and thanks for posting results
My IGF-1 came back like 270 on 5IU of kigs #20110715 for 2 weeks no shot that morning. People were saying that should have been higher. I'm trying to figure this shit out so I'll get the most out of my Summer Trenathon!
Yea, I'm trying to collect as much information as I can. Mine checked out on heir site also. I'm testing them now at 2iu/ed and still have the numb tingly hands and dropping fat. And talk about freakin hair growth, I'm shaving way too many areas way too often! LOL ;-P
Maybe you could expand? You know this because..... You did them and didn't get huge? Your cousins friend knows a scientist who worked on the team. You work for Hygetropin.cn? More info please. Thanks.
Do you not see the test results above? Lol if you think 6 on a gh serum test equals 'quality gh' you need to get out of this game quick and go do some research big boy.
Here is the batch number for the hyges that I was tested on 20111102
My point on that was the quantity 8iu and the fact it was SubQ. There are connections between IGF-1 levels and subduing endogenous GH Secretion, but don't think that will affect exogenous levels though?
I'd still go with the 10iu IM, this seems to be the standard the other forums I have researched are using. You also should take into consideration the study you are basing all this off, was done to show the results of their new Cool.Click needle free device and would be geared toward showing positive results with that method which may have limitations on how much it can deliver subQ. Also in regards to the IGF peaks, they show about the same from 22 hrs on through 34, in order to maintain consistent schedule I would simply schedule my test 3.5 hrs after my normal injection time and not worry about switching injection times. Just pin 10iu both days. Realize though there have been negative sides at that dosage level.
i seen your posted info, and glad you did to confirm 3.5 hours is the right time to test peak plasma and my igf after a week should be high and im testing for both.
i just got 6 some .com.cn samples sent to me to test, i mixed the second i opened the box (gh still warm, bac was from fridge), anyhow it took a solid 4 minutes or more to mix with a gentle swirl, looks promising. anyone know what happened to hygetropin.CN
tribals, i tried contacting them a couple times asking about bulk pricing an no response and i heard they were shut down during the gh factory raids few weeks ago. they always responded so idk if its true but i know for fact, the tribal tops are pharma level or damn near it. .com.cn claims they are pharma quality now, thats why im testing them.
This is the disclaimer at the bottom of the Hygetropin.cn website: "Hygetropin.cn site is not affiliated with in any way with any pharmaceutical companies"
Here is what is at the bottom of the Hygetropin.com.cn website: "Copyright © 2010 Hygetropin official site"
You can also look at this page on Hygetropin.com.cn:
http://www.hygetropin.com.cn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&i...
Item 5 . Argumentation about Fake & Genuine HYGETROPIN
IMO Looking at this information it looks like Hygetropin.com.cn are the authentic brand.
hygetropin.cn (dr.lin) tribal top are the elite, or were anyway, they may have been shut down during the raids a few weeks ago, hygetropin.com.cn is who told me that info,i cant confirm or deny it but ive tried to email them a few times in the past week or so (.cn) and no response and ive always gotten a response. these .com.cn samples i got mix great, solid 3-4 minutes of gentle swirl(very good sign). i have a 12 day supply of them and im gonna do blood testing for igf-1 levels and gh plasma next week and see what i get for numbers, im running at 4iu/day/split. if these are pharma grade as .com.cn says then this will be plenty to give me sides and show high numbers on testing. fingers crossed. also rips seem to be putting out great lab results but all of the testing ive seen done are done inconsistently . if anyone knows a good source for rips please pm me and i'll do labs on those as well and see who wins the competition i guess
FR sent
If folks got bloods done more often and shared their results then the scammers wouldn't find it so easy.
I ordered Bloods for Myo's new "Custom Synthesized HGH". Should have them posted by the end of next week.
Nice bro real nice. I hope the results are good :-)
Me too! They "feel" good at 2iu. I'm sleeping well, always hungry, feel good! We'll see what the #s say? Have you seen Frankie's new web site and additions? Nice, wish I had more cash right now! LOL ;-p
what is frankies new site? i cant find it
http://www.prestige-healthcare.eu/index.php?route=product/category&path=67
Yeh I took a look today. Got 700iu of hyges to work through before I get to try the anything else though. May get more bloods done later in the year with correct protocol so I can get a better picture.
Cool, there seems to be a few people interseted in this so we can all get a lil information and help everyone. I should have Bloods for Myo's new HGH next week.
2 years is a long time bro. maybe they are setting up to fool a lot of people off the back of good rep. Then it all goes down the shitcan again idk. Get some, do bloods and if all is good grab some before it all goes down the can again. I just wish these folks would see the long game and make decent profit over a long time. Seems to me they just set folks up an grab the money an run, who knows!?
270strengthbro your so right you just never know in this game,sometimes good sometimes bad 2yrs is a long time a lot of shit can happen,
I guess being a doctor would help. Not to mention 2+ 2= 4....your are right in that my estimations may be off but common sense prevails if he inject a 1/3 essentially and got that reading then what would it have been and for 10iu... But make no mistake you are dead wrong in that your pin and test 3.5hrs later! I'm not an endo rather an internist I'll admit but I have a strong understanding from using it and medical school.
jasonhI disagree with all this timing and dosing(this info is from my doctor) stuff if you are taking real hgh consistanly on a daily basis you will have high numbers period.lets look at say test through the week there is a definate flux in levels but they are all extremly high if your taking real test, so say you take prop at 7am on monday and do bloodwork at 3 that afternoon you might have say 1500 if you test again at 3 the next day you might be at say 1100 different but both high elevated numbers meaning real test. sorry but same thing goes for hgh imo and my doctors opion. so again i ask does anyone know what low, normal and high range on hgh blood serum is?
Google half life of HGH. We are talking in hours and minutes rather than days like with test esters. So levels are not going to be stable unless you are pinning several times a day. Dont take everything that your doctor says as gospel. And if he knows so much, surely he will have the answer to your question.
jasonhi understand that the half lives of hgh are much shorter, what im saying is if you are supplementing with a sufficient level of hgh daily you will have elevated igf reading. and jacking 10iu of hgh and running in and testing imo isnt going to tell ya quality of hgh(if quarter dosed crap that amount will still show a high number) yes i will ask doc about blood serum but since i just did bloodwork that will be 3 months from know. From what ive so far found on hgh blood serums levels (nothing) and no one realy knowing what the high,low ,or normal numbers range is ill stick to igf numbers that i understand and seem to be most commonly used in medical field (4iu of kigs daily produced 141 igf level that is low low enough for doc to say throw away what im pinning it is 100% fake not underdosed fake) and im realy not trying to start alot of controversy what im asking is what does your lab results mean? is it good hgh or bad thats all
Normal level would be 0.8ug/L . My level was 6.5ug/L even given the poor timings of the pinning relative to bloods being drawn. Also I had not been able to rest prior to bloods being drawn so all in all I would say it was a good result. High IGF levels are only an indicator of elevated GH levels a fact well known among fakers of HGH who will use GHRP6 instead of HGH to make people think they have HGH. Only sure test is GH serum or analysis of product.
the fakes must be something other than ghrp6, you ever see that stuff mix? blink of an eye its gone and clear, no more than 2 seconds, alll these fakes are mixing very fast but not close to that fast, idk wtf theyre puttin in there but ghrp6 i wouldnt think so, could be wrong, could be mixed in slower dissolving powder. i ran my share of diff flavors of china gh and none of them gave me ghrp6 effect like extreme hunger( im running it right now along with cjc).
I wasn't suggesting sole use of ghrp6, rather just an addition to the mix including fillers etc etc. Having said that the tais and kigs I had mixed almost instantly in less than a second.
The 7/15/2011 kigs I have mix slow like the Hygetropin.com.cn and the New Myo HGH I just got. You have to slowly swirl them. IGF-1 L3 I have dissolves in a second.
My hyges.com.cn take a good 2-3 minutes at least to completely disolve. I had kigs with batch number 20011.7.15 and they mixed in under a second. I think the kigs batch numbers are just BS and are part of the scam. Some guys get good GH with that number so everybody else assumes because they have that batch number they have good GH too.
Yea, I don't know Bro, you gotta be a fucking detective with this shit! LOL ;-P
That could be how they do, that way some people post good # and keep you buying.
Do you swirl them or just let them sit?
I give them a gentle swirl then let them sit for a while then swirl again. I keep the swirling to a minimum.
you got the right thinking, sensitive as possible, impatience will destroy gh. unless you have kigs or tais or asunme or ip yellows or geys, shake the shit out of them, theres no gh in there anyhow lol
Nah don't shake it, just toss that fucker straight in the bin lol
jasonhthanks for that info, think ill give em a try just so careful know as have lost so much money on fakes, also despite what ive heard ill trust my body also, i know got terrible carpal tunnel syptomes when had real thing (4iu)and no sides from the fakes took kigs all the way to 10 iu a day with no effects, also slept like baby with vivid dreams and got lot of water bloat especially around ankles on real thing. im guessing you got em from nice Chinease lady?
Can't say source on here but you may well find your answer in the source reviews http://www.eroids.com/reviews/frankie-healthcare.co.uk
Also hearing Chinese Restaurant now has the same dish on their menu ;-)
jasonhthanks got it
Here are standard HGH Serum levels from 1 testing facility:
Males: 0.01-0.97 ng/mL
Females: 0.01-3.61 ng/mL
So his reading of 6.5 is HIGH
I've read alot of articles that say IGF-1 #s can be affected by many other factors other than HGH so IMO it requires multiple test information: HGH Serum, IGF-1, T3 Uptake, Protein....
I am still trying to figure this out. You run 500-1000mg/wk of test and you know the results.... sort of, Exercise levels, diet, sleep, condition your body is currently in, bf% all affect final results. IMO there are just as many or more factors that will determine your final results with HGH also. Shot timing, T3, T4, Insulin, Protein intake, exercise..... it makes my head spin. And thats if you know the HGH is good.
How about all the people that are mixing wrong, shaking, or not storing cold even before mixing.....
These are things I think of when someone says its bunk after 2 weeks - or 2 months. What were their expectations, protocols, did they ever lift a fucking weight or just expect an HGH miracle? Who knows? You'll here "I used 10iu the first day and didn't feel anything, no change, Its Bunk!".
More Bloods and real info is what we all need to better understand the affects and results that HGH can provide.
Thanks Again for posting these bloods.
You never did say were these .com.cn or .cn?
jasonhthanks, i was having trouble finding the numbers you provided, yes id say almost twice the high end of normal level would mean good hgh. think what some people that posted below dont understand is there are differnt was of repoting the measurements of these levels(same as test) the reporting can very from lab to lab. so make sure you using the same measuring system when compairing reports. doubt the rips at 33(yes i saw that report 2) was using the ng/ml measurment of serum level that would be like 10 times high normal level
I think I did buddy, you must have missed it. But anyway they are hygetopin.com.cn
Sorry, you did 1st post, didn't mention the source. But thats been figured out! LOL ;-P
Good Luck! Keep us posted the more information we all share the better our results. Like I said I'll try and talk my doc into HGH levels on my TRT Bloods.
If you want to talk source then PM me Pat. You know when I first booked GH test I wasn't realy too bothered about whether it was good or bad HGH. All I realy wanted to know was if it was HGH at all, since had already been fucked over once and had 2 further fake loads that I had sent back. One thing I would say is if it doesnt pass the boil test then don't even waste your money on getting bloods done. I have learned quite a lot in the process though and also from the contributions in this thread. For me that's what it's all about. I am happy to share information with anybody.
You should venture outside this forum or try googling it and my "broscience" will be indeed factual. Wtf, you truly don't know jack bout growth do you?
Gh peaks at 3-3.5 hrs after IM injection. With sub-q it's 4 hrs. This dude pinned at 6am 8am and 10am. And he said he got his blood drawn at 11. He did it sub-q so at 3iu those numbers would have peaked from the 6am shot. The 8 would have added another 65% per say and the 10am shot would have almost not influence the test at all. So at 6ng and 3iu I would say if he pinned protocol 10iu for test then most likely his numbers would have been 2.10 higher at 20ng or so. There's also the figure of the 8am shot so tech to account for that he would be at 17 or so. So I'd say it's good gh but def not RIPS.
There are other influences that may have efected the result. The GH test is supposed to have been done after resting for 30 mins. After being stuck in trafic I had to walk about a mile at brisk pace to reach my appointment on time. Not exactly an all out workout I admit, but then again it's definately what you would call resting.
Been burned too buddy so I know what it feels like. You know you can never say 100% in this game. It's changing all the time. Good gear brings these companies good rep. Then they start pumping out shit and ripping people off on the back of their rep. For me while its good I'm grabbing some. Then will review the situation before I take the next plunge.
jasonhi for 1 dont know how to read gh bloodserum results and we seem to be getting alot of opionions on factual numbers stimmer posted. so will someone who understands these serum numbers please clear it up for me what are concidered high numbers and what are low numbers (igf numbers i understand) and thanks for posting results
jasonhanyone?
My IGF-1 came back like 270 on 5IU of kigs #20110715 for 2 weeks no shot that morning. People were saying that should have been higher. I'm trying to figure this shit out so I'll get the most out of my Summer Trenathon!
Yea, I'm trying to collect as much information as I can. Mine checked out on heir site also. I'm testing them now at 2iu/ed and still have the numb tingly hands and dropping fat. And talk about freakin hair growth, I'm shaving way too many areas way too often! LOL ;-P
Lol this is not good hgh. This is extremely low dosed gh.
Maybe you could expand? You know this because..... You did them and didn't get huge? Your cousins friend knows a scientist who worked on the team. You work for Hygetropin.cn? More info please. Thanks.
Do you not see the test results above? Lol if you think 6 on a gh serum test equals 'quality gh' you need to get out of this game quick and go do some research big boy.