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  • samurai   •   Sun, May 22nd, '11 23:11   •   10 replies, 2621 views

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I have used this 6 times at 1cc over the last 1.5 weeks. You can varify this by the level of vial(left some so you guys could see the color). This prop works great however gave me serious PIP. This PIP was not prevelant until the following day when Inject site showed bruising and swelling(small round ball). Within 3 days lump and bruising gone. Injected mostly in buttocks however tried once in mid thigh (not recommended) with this Test-prop. I also injected Eurochem Deca in oppposite mid thigh to compare reaction. The next day my thigh with T-prop felt like a horse kicked it , my knee was buckling all day, very painful. Thigh with deca only small irritation slight pain. Both legs had no bruising or bump. My body was getting used to it over the week so irritation was supsiding getting less skin reactions. I have used 3 X 10ml vials of genesis prop in the last 10 weels and never had any bruising or PIP. This could be because they use different oils/it's under dosed or hormones used are different etc. This Test-prop felt a lot stronger and I had stronger gains while using. If PIP is a indicator of strength this brand is very strong. Yes I know not all test-prop gives PIP. I will order this product again from site.

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  • popeye
  • 9 years ago

Who's the manufacturer? Watson?

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  • LoneProphet
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First time posting. I know this is an older thread but I felt like commenting on this GF Test P. Got my first order last week and on Thurs. night I pinned 1mL in a fresh quad site. The bottle and color seem identical to the one pictured above. As somebody else noted in another thread somewhere, this stuff is like getting hit by a fastball in the quads. I've always been rather sensitive to my own body and ingesting chemicals in various forms and methods, and over the next four hours I could feel the substance doing it's work, circulating and spreading through my body from the injection site. About 2 hours post-injection, I began feeling a pump that only grew so that I went to the gym 4 hours post, even though I hadn't really planned on it beforehand. There was no bruising or swelling/lumps, and I drew and injected with the same 21g 1.5" needle. The pain it caused is common though - there was slight ache and numbness (like when u can feel the "cold hardness" of the muscle where u pin, u know what I mean) that began about 20-30 mins post, and only increased. 36 hours later I pinned a few cm from the first site, and about 70-80% of the pain seemed to have subsided from the first injection, however Thurs. night when I first injected it was "leg-day" at the gym, and was very happy with the increased strength and pump, so I ended up increasing reps and weight. This in turn has caused my quads serious growing pain (major burning and soreness which really began about 18 hours after first dose), so that it may be harder to tell just how quickly all of the PIP has been diminishing. The pain was not debilitating in the least 4 hours post-inj. -- I had no problem doing 15 minutes on the treadmill and my legs that night.

On a side note, after pinning my quad again 36 hours later (yesterday morning), I decided to do another 50mg/0.5mL in my deltoid. Now, 18 hours later, there is only a very slight ache in my deltoid, which is completely unnoticable unless I rub it. I always aim my injections at about 90 degrees (though slightly slanted for solo-pinning my deltoids) and estimate when I'm about halfway thru the muscle after the slight "tear" when you enter it. All in all I think this is a great product so far and I hope the consistency is good from bottle-to-bottle, because I plan on ordering several more. I ordered some other GF products in the same shipment and plan to post a full review and rating of my entire first GF experience in the proper thread once the Test Decaonate should be kicking in. Thanks for reading.

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I took Jayhawks advice and started to use a 1.5 inch needle at 23 gauge. I had almost NO PIP and almost No bruising. Great advice and just another example that your never to old to learn something new LOL.

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Found this that someone posted. Very good article.

In this article I will review the main causes of localised muscular pain, tenderness and soreness that are experienced as a result of intramuscular (IM) injections. There are two main causative groups which injection pain can be categorised:

  1. Pain due to route of administration
  2. Pain due to the substance being injected

Within these two categories there are further sub-groups for causes of injection pain, and these will be discussed in further detail.

  1. Pain due to route of administration

a) Invasiveness of Injection. The initial cause of injection pain that may be experienced is quite simply the fact that an IM injection itself is an invasive procedure, in that the body's natural barrier of skin is being penetrated by a sharp needle and any further cellular content along the needle's path is being sheared. This in itself, although relatively invasive, can cause some pain. This pain tends to be initial, however due to the design of sterile needles for injection, the curved nature of the needle point allows for minimal pain, and thus this is not a common cause of post-injection pain.

b) Opening a new IM injection site. When a new muscular site is invaded and a volume of substance is injected therein, there is often some soreness associated with such an injection. The muscle group is not used to containing an additional volume of a substance, thus pain can result. This is usually only experienced when a site is first used for an IM injection. This is why when using a new site it is encouraged to inject a smaller amount initially, from 0.5-1ml dependent upon muscle size. Such pain and soreness usually ceases after a site has received at least one injection.

c) Physical location of injection. Often when injecting a substance, the physical location, that is where the needle releases the substance, can result in discomfort after the injection. This is most likely due to the substance (especially if oil based and slowly absorbed) sitting in between muscle groups or in a small muscle, as this will cause more pain than being injected into the middle of a muscle or a larger muscle. This can happen from time to time even with experienced users.

d) Volume of substance injected. Tying in with point 1(ii), the volume of injection will also make a significant difference to any soreness and pain experienced. Generally larger volumes are better tolerated in larger muscle groups (gluteus, quadriceps, etc), with smaller muscle groups (biceps, triceps, etc) fair better with smaller volumes (<2ml). As you increase the volume injected, you increase the amount of substance contained within the muscle that is normally present, thus you increase the risk of an inflammatory response and soreness. Very large volumes (>5-6ml, especially of oil-based substances) are not advised due to the risk of developing a sterile abscess.

  1. Pain due to the substance being injected

a) Abscess development. As with any substance, unless it is sterile (and even in sterile cases bacteria on skin and body hair may be pushed past the skin barrier inside the body by the injection procedure) there is a high risk of developing an internal infection known as an abscess. This will result in large amount of swelling, redness, flu-like symptoms and increased lymphocytes thus increased inflammation resulting in a fair degree of pain experienced. The risk of such infections being developed when using completely sterile products however is very low.

b) Solvent concentration of substance. The concentration and type of solvents used in the preparation of the substance to be injected will affect any pain and soreness that will be experienced post-injection. Certain buffers and solvents used when injected in pure form give a fair amount of soreness. For example, some peptides are suspended in 100mM acetic acid, which when injected even in small amounts can give the user some discomfort. It is an important point to make that pain resulting from solvent concentrations used is most likely to commence quite soon after the injection, from a few minutes to a few hours maximum. Pain that takes longer than this to develop is usually due to other factors discussed here.

Another common solvent used as a preservative in anabolic steroid and other IM injection preparations, is benzyl alcohol (BA). At high concentrations, BA will cause injection pain in the vast majority of users. However in concentrations <10% BA, most will experience little discomfort due to BA. Many people claim that underground laboratories that make injectable anabolic steroids in a non-regulated manner use high BA percentages in their products such as testosterone propionate which is why users experience pain. However, as explained here and in point 2(iii), the BA is unlikely to be the cause of pain. This is why it should be noted that in actual fact, many pharmaceutical preparations contain higher than expected amounts of BA in them. Deca-Pronabol, a pharmaceutically produced form of nandrolone decanoate, contains 9% BA and users generally report no pain associated with its injection. Some preparations of Sustanon-250 by established pharmaceutical companies are made with 10% BA (0.1ml BA per 1.0ml ampoule). However, many would here argue that Sustanon-250 is a sore injection for many. Despite this, when one looks at the make-up of the active ingredients of Sustanon-250, we see a combined testosterone propionate and phenylpropionate amount of roughly 100mg/ml. For reasons discussed in part 2(iii), we may safely assume that the pain is more likely to occur due to the high concentration of these short esters, as opposed to merely high BA concentration. However, it is worth remembering that everyone reacts differently to various solvents and 10% BA may not cause pain for many users, but it will cause soreness for a significant percentage of other users. Other solvents within the preparation apart from the ones outlined here can also contribute or cause injection pain; however the ones discussed are the most significant in the context of anabolic steroid preparations.

c) Concentration of active product. This is probably the most prevalent cause of post-injection pain experienced by anabolic steroid users. This is most likely due to the demand for underground laboratories to produce more concentrated steroid preparations (high mg/ml of hormone) to reduce number and volumes of injections. One good example of this is the production of testosterone propionate by many different labs. If we look at the preparation of testosterone propionate by legitimate pharmaceutical companies, we see that the maximum concentration normally produced is 50mg/ml. Despite this, most underground labs today will produce multi-use vials of testosterone propionate that are at a minimum of 100mg/ml. Hormones that contain short esters on them (like acetate, propionate, phenylpropionate) have a much higher melting point and thus cannot be made as concentrated as those with longer esters (enanthate, decanoate, etc). Although testosterone propionate can be effectively made in standard amounts of solvents and oil to 100mg/ml without crashing out of this solution, once injected in the body, the solvents tend to leach out of the solution very quickly, being absorbed much quicker than the oil. This leaves behind oil and hormone in the muscle, and at the higher concentrations (which rely on solvents to not crash in solution) this will result in some of the hormone crashing out of solution to give crystals. These crystals cause significant muscular discomfort, and also can result in the recruitment of lymphocytes involved in inflammation thus the area around the crystals can get inflamed with a build up of blood cells. This takes time to dissipate and longer for the crystals to be absorbed into the body, which is why this type of pain and discomfort usually lasts for several days.
It should be noted however that there are certain carriers and solvents which allow for higher mg/ml preparations to be made that result in the reduction of pain. One solvent occasionally used is guaicol, which allows for more concentrated solutions to be produced and also acts as a slight analgesic or pain reliever at the site of injection. A more useful lipid carrier as an alternative to a normal oil carrier is ethyl oleate (EO). EO can be substituted for other carrier oils, and is a less viscous (thinner) carrier that also allows more of the hormone to be dissolved in it compared with other oils. The safety of EO for injections in humans is often questioned; however several different pharmaceutically produced injection products have been made that use EO as a carrier, most notably Farmak testosterone propionate. Furthermore, ethanol (alcohol) is converted to several products in the body when ingested, one being oleic acid. One potential issue with the use of EO however, is that a small percentage of users may experience an allergic-type reaction to its use, typified by a rash and some local discomfort, yet this is a more rare reaction to EO.

Below is a list of common anabolic steroids and when prepared with common percentages of solvents and normal oil carriers (not EO), what the maximum normal concentration that can be achieved before pain is experienced:

Testosterone Propionate <100mg/ml
Testosterone Enanthate <300mg/ml
Testosterone Cypionate <250mg/ml
Nandrolone Decanoate <325mg/ml
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate <150mg/ml
Trenbolone Acetate <100mg/ml
Trenbolone Enanthate <250mg/ml
Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ) <900mg/ml
Methenolone Enanthate <75mg/ml
Drostanolone Propionate <150mg/ml

In summary, there are various different causatives of IM pain post-injection, however the most prevalent is likely to be the concentration of hormone used in the preparation and secondly to a lesser extent, the concentration of solvents used. However as outlined, with any injection this is an invasive procedure with regards to breaking the body's natural barriers, there is always a risk of soreness and discomfort.

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PIP is a touchy subject to describe "legit" gear. being a t prop guy my whole life, ive grown accustomed to PIP. i was taking the genesis stuff with NO PIP and was suprised! suspended in EO oils, but still! I had little/no water retention w/ genesis, but decent gains. the coloration of the GF is spot on.

did you go straight from your genesis to this gear or did you have a few months off time? 3 vials would b 2-3 months depending on dosage?

are you mixing oils and if so, are you changing pins before you stick yourself? the pin will dull the fuck out if you go through 2 rubber stoppers. i think we've had dialogue before, so im fairly confident you're no rookie here, just making sure. you may also want to try a full 1.5" pin and go all the way in.

just my 2 cents.

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Hi again, yes we have had dialogue before a few weeks ago inregards to Genesis prop. In my Canadian city we can aquire free needles (any size and gauge) and plungers 3cc or 5cc in boxes of 100 or more. When I walk out of the free clinic I haul over 500 units of a varity of products. The gauge I was using was 1.5" 23gauge to extract test-prop then a new 1" 23gauge to inject. The plunger was new with no other products. The idea of injecting with 1.5" is a great idea to get deeper. I will give that a go this week. Thanks for the idea. As I mentioned before I have 3 weeks left in cycle so I had been using Genesis over the last 9-10 weeks. I wanted to try gearedfast products since they are shippied in North America and not Eastern Europe. I have had a shitty track record with customs from those countries 50% siezure. You are doing a great job on this site as a MOD and with reviews. In my opinion you seem to know your shit and have worked out seriously for several years. So keep up the good work and I will post some Clomid GF, Lixus sustain photo's and reviews once I have tried them out for 1-2 weeks. Cheers

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thanks man, i appreciate the compliments for sure!

it might be too easy to say a 1" pin in your problem, but damn that's tiny bro. ive gone as far as 2" but it kinda grosses me out when i pull it out lol! i always use AT LEAST a FULL 1.5" inches of needle. this will get the oils where they need to be and out of your fat (unless you got a huge ass lol!) 23g is perfect (you might have read that i started w/ 16g when i started...that will give you some PIP to write home about! if i only had 1" on hand, i'd do the quads. if you're comfortable enough for delts and any other popular upper body area then go for it (less fatty.) traditionally, prop has a lot of pain though, so you may just have to suck it up :)

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  • 9 years ago

From my experience the pip comes from strong shit. It may not be the case with everyone, but its been that way for me.
I have used this same Test-P along with Sust-250 and the results from the lab say it all. If you haven’t seen it already I encourage you to look it over…..It’s under (blood work) pics, right below this post.
I have been pin the Test-P in the upper quad, and it was painful at first, however it has gotten better.
Your cycle sounds like its working great for you so far.
Good luck.

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  • Pineclam
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Awesome review. Keep us updated on strength and size gains when it really starts to kick in!

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Im not an expert but I don't think that the pip is an indication of the quality of the gear. I have friends that have used pharmaceutical gear with 0 pip and great gains. Hopefully your pip is worth it and you get good gains from the t prop. Im trying out soon GF products. Goodluck.