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+ 1 Fuck me. I'm STERILE !!

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This fucking sucks... I've done everything the right way, moderate cycles, pct, time off....and now I get the news from the Doc "you have zero sperm that swim forward (motility) making natural impregnation highly unlikely, more like impossible"
Unfortunately I don't have $10k laying around for IVF,
motherfuck.... My wife who Is the most amazing person wants a child so bad, and she is very "natural" centered.
Im fucked... I don't know what to say to her, she's gonna blame it on the gear no doubt.
I feel like my world just got turned upside down.
i knew the risks when I started.... So I guess I made my bed and I'll have to lie in it.

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weldon5150's picture

I just had this same issue. My swimmers were in a little worst shape. 4 months later after doing what I did below my wife is pregnant. We are expecting around Christmas. We did it naturally too, there is hope bro. I felt the same way. This what I did for four months per my endocrinologist's prescription.

-HCG 2500 IU three times weekly for 2 months - I stopped once she go pregnant.
-50 mg Clomiphene Every day for 4 months
-Two vitamins called Fertilaid and Fertiaid mobility booster. Everyday 4 months - PM me and I will sent you a link where you can find these - they are over the counter.

Like I said this what my endocrinologist had me do and it worked. We were stoked we did not have to do IVF and it happened naturally. I wish you all the best going through this, I feel for you man. Just know many other men have gone through this and were able to have kids. Feel free to message me if you have any questions.

TheFlash85's picture

this ^^^^ add nolvadex at 20 mgs a day.

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randomNJ's picture

I had a similar problem my sperm count was low, and had terrible motility and morphology, and was able to get my sperm count to normal levels with the following protocol prescribed by a fertility doc. My wife is now 32 weeks pregnant with twins.

10,000iu HCG per week split in 3 shots MWF. First, 5 weeks I took 1 amp of 250 FSH along with the HCG on M and F. I was told the FSH is necessary in order to ensure that all sperm are healthy (motility and morphology). Note, the FSH was not covered by insurance; in the States I was quoted 5 weeks worth as 1200 to 1500. I ordered from overseas with my prescription from the doc (which I took a picture of and emailed to the pharmacy) and got it for 650. You may be able to get it from a cite on here. Also, HMG has FSH in it so you could go that route as well. I also took clomid and nolva on tuesday and thursday and saturday. After 3-4 months, my sperm came back as normal. I would talk to your doctor about whether this type of protocol is worth trying. Also, told me to where boxers and keep a cold drink or ice on my sack for about an hour every night.

rageracing's picture

Sorry to hear about this brother....let go and let God. He will give you only what he thinks you can handle. Goodluck

stormuk69's picture

Sorry to hear that buddy, but don't blame the Gear too quickly. I have several friends with very low Sperm counts who have never touched a drop of Gear, are teetotal etc.

In Contrast I have a very high sperm count and both of my wives (2 different relationships !!) got pregnant whilst I was mid cycle.

Maybe have a bash at a croud funding to help with the IVF if it's needed. There are lots of kind people out there with or without children that are more than willing to chip in.

All the best and good luck for the future.

jimmycrackcorn's picture

Yeh brother...u gotta keep your head up. People are told they are sterile every day but then have children later on...I hate to be "this guy" but if it's in GODS plans brother then it will happen...but I definitely think this is a pregear issue. Goodluck homie!!

CAhardcore's picture

So an updated ... I had a phone consultation with a specialist and sounds like I have a "verocole" which is basically too many veins on the left testicle causing it to be too warm an environment for good sperm movement. A simple outpatient process "MAY" fix the issue... Let's fucking hope so !!!!

Drywallstar's picture

Best of luck bro

SwaySway's picture

I had that surgery back in 04... Two kids and 11 years later I'd say it worked... Your junk will be soar for two weeks!

weldon5150's picture

Great news!

Sumatra_Triangle's picture

Hear we go bro.
I have still never read any true study that says gear will sterilization....

juiceball8082's picture

I hope for the best for you bro!

SDABPT's picture

I know a guy who was on gear for years and was told he was sterile by his doctor. He took it as a blessing because he already had a family with an ex wife and didn't want anymore. Needless to say a year later his new girlfriend came up pregnant. He didn't believe it was his and denied paternity and everything but dhs did a DNA test and low and behold it was indeed his. So don't write it off too soon. I consider you still young enough to bounce back. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.

Dickkhead's picture

I will keep you in my prayers bro that some of the suggestions below will work. I am sterile also and yes, it is from AAS use in my case at least. Don't beat yourself up bro, it's not that common at all and not a clear and present danger to everyone that uses AAS and like what is said below it could very well be something preexisting and have nothing to do with your AAS use.

enhancedlife's picture

How did you confirm its from AAS use and it's 100% permanent ?

Dickkhead's picture

Findings of a reproductive endocrinologist with deep knowledge of AAS and its side effects. Knowing that the chances of success were next to nothing we tried everything that can be tried.

Pale's picture

Damn brother. Have you tried the HCG, HMG and clomid to get the boys swimming? I would look into that stuff and see if you cannot get them rolling. Did the Doc give any options besides IVF?

boots2asses12's picture

I got my girl pregnant on cycle I would put money this was pre existing bro , it ain't over til it's over my neighbors were told he was sterile adopted a kid and boom had two kids of their own

SimonM84's picture

Hang in there my brother. There has to be a way with all of the experience vets on here. I will ask God for you to find a way. It actually almost took me two years off everything just being completely natural so time might be the only cure

lp_chops's picture

Seriously consider hmg! I have had low count and low motility since before AAS useage. And we had to do IVF before I ever started using AAS. But my counts increased from 6 million to more than ten times that from hmg. My insurance didn't cover IVF so we had to save up for it, but a lot of clinics take payments if it comes down to it. And also then you would have fertilized embryos frozen so you could stop caring about the sperm count issues.

irongame427's picture

Damn brother I know this is a really hard time and your mind is probably all over the place right now but take step back and take some deep breaths. Definitely gotta give it some time. Its great that you still have sperm. Forget 10k for IVF right now theres other routes with drugs that stimulate FSH like HMG, nolva, clomid, maybe pull some bloods to see where you FSH levels are at. But most of all give it time and do some research on this. ill make sure to keep you in my prayers to the big man.

SenseiMiagi's picture

Shitty news man. As already said, dont give up. May recover in time, or with help of other supps will bounce back. Certainly not the only one in the situation. Definitely see fertility doc and look at options. Gear may not be the cause, but its always a risk when we dabble in this game. Hopefully your lady will be gentle.

konig's picture

Give it time brother.. Time heals all!!

Hustle28's picture

I was told by a friend that when ur not reproducing sperm and u hav been shut down it takes up 13+ months to recover from that. Trust me my FSh & Lh came in low an I'm also concerned cuz I want to have kids really soon this is exaclty why after this cycle ill probably take a yr off just to make sure I recover pop some kids and then get back on :-) good luck brother I'm sure ur body will recover just stay away from aas till u recover

enhancedlife's picture

Definitely should allow for more time to recover. 2 months off isn't very long

Justanotherguy's picture

Out of all the risks of using AAS, this is my biggest concern. Hang in there buddy, you've only been off for a short while. Hope for the best. Out of curiosity what was the cycle you ran?

CAhardcore's picture

Test prop/ tren ace w/ caber and exemstane

KAM1314's picture

Go to a fertility doctor that you can be HONEST with and knows about STEROID use. Clomid, HCG, HMG, are just a few options to try. When did your last cycle end and what were you running? Never say never and don't give up on yourself. All you need is one little guy to swim straight and you have a chance. If you go into this battle thinking you've already lost it will make things worse! Definitely don't give up and see the right doctor. You're balls aren't there for looks, they just need a little jump start. Pm me if you need too. I dont know where you live (or if you want to disclose that info). I'll be honest bro. I'm live in NY. I can help point you in the right direction if you're over this way. Either way if you need something I'm here. Be well and DONT CALL IT QUITS YET!!!

CAhardcore's picture

Did you have to pay out of pocket for this ?

ProFoTo's picture

Bro, I would try HMG and HCG...

My fiance and I fucked without birth control for years and never got pregnant... Then I started using roids with hcg and boom, 6 months later she was pregnant! Now I have a beautiful 4 month old daughter!

CAhardcore's picture

Yeah... Something to consider .
I'll meet with my junk ass insurance doc and see what he says, and maybe go you're route

iFit's picture

How long you been off? Maybe you need more time. In my younger days I ran some stupid long cycles and still had plenty of swimmers.

CAhardcore's picture

I've been off 2 months ... My cycle was a moderate does 10 weeker, with a strong pct. It's not that I don't have sperm,
They just don't swing forward toward the egg

iFit's picture

I can't imagine how discouraging that is but don't give up hope. Give it more time, do some research, go to a good doc. Your body is an amazing thing and with time can usually heal itself even after some abuse.

KAM1314's picture

Give it more time. That's a good sign that you still have sperm. Those little bastards need some recovery time just like the rest of your body does.

WhiteSight's picture

Sorry to hear this brother, anyone comment on the chances of this being gear related?

CAhardcore's picture

Doc didn't say... Wants another test to confirm. But, I also didn't volunteer I used gear, everything else looks great, bp, cholesterol , liver .. All good

Sumatra_Triangle's picture

You think it was the gear?

CAhardcore's picture

Can't tell... Never had it tested before running gear , so no baseline. Could have been genetic .. 1/20 men have the condition ... Could have been caused by the gear

Sumatra_Triangle's picture

I have to tend to think you can do some. Research and. Fix. It. With diet alterations and nutrients
Good luck my friend
And there. Is triptorelin

juiceball8082's picture

What about adoption?

CAhardcore's picture

My wife yearns so deeply for a baby in her belly... Adoption won't heal that

juiceball8082's picture

I hear that bro. Maybe a good Clomid protocol by a doc could help!

CAhardcore's picture

Yeah... Idk if clomid will help with the direction of the swimmers ... I have sperm just not "viable" ones meaning they head up steam

MegaT883's picture

Viable is the vitality of the sperm. What it sounds like is your sperm motility is off (it's ability to swim) Some of things can be corrected. Don't give up hope. Go check this out so you can better understand what's going on.
http://www.advancedfertility.com/low-sperm-motility.htm
https://www.medialabinc.net/spg62859/viability.aspx

Think about this you may have been just shut down and of course your sperm will not be healthy but that is not to say that at run of clomid will not produce more sperm. It takes 2.5 to 3 months for sperm to mature. Fertility clinics use clomid to increase sperm counts. 25mgs a day for 110 days.