posted Thu, 04/05/2012 - 09:23
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Friend's Before and After, trained with me
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Putting this up in response to the EBC inquiries. He originally entered the EBC, then fell off real quick. He started back up about a month and ago, possibly a little more, but I guess "technically" he's halfway through his cycle. I know he's on Clen, Sust, and Tren, I'll post follow ups in a month and a half. He'll finish up strong. He's trying to around %16 BF.
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Lately this has seemed like nothing more than a blatant attempt to promote omega var and boost sales for ndg or whatever other source ur affiliated with. I hope no one is dumb enough to fall for this bullshit. What's the problem? U must be so fully stocked with those, it's getting hard for u to get rid of them lol
Omega var? We can't keep it on the shelves it's our number one seller even before these pics of Vandely came out, we sell 50 bottles a week and sell out all the time, if we could we would push products that don't sell.
Yea, but the omega var is the most expensive product on ur site, with the exception of those crappy blue tops. (which vanadly claimed he recently started using). Also he says 60mg a day for 10 weeks. So do the math, that's about 5 bottles, plus ur ridiculous shipping price that comes out to almost $700. Why in the hell would u not promote it? Nice try lol.
So var is expensive is that a crime? lol your detective work blows, both products don't need help selling and we hardly ever get HGH in, it's not a regular product we get in, we don't need help selling our gear bro, why would we push a product that always sells out? HGH we sell that out in a few day. There are many products that cost around the same price and hardly ever sell why would we not push that? And if someone goes on a Var only cycle for $700 that's a normal price for that. If we wanted to sell products he could have lied and said he was taking every oil we had. But he was just honest.
His pics showed nothing but sciroxx oils, and omega orals. I haven't seen any sciroxx oils on ur site for a while now, except for one. Why push something u no longer carry? And $700 for a var only cycle is the most ridiculous thing iv'e ever heard. $400-$500 yes, but $700?? Whatever i don't wanna argue anymore, u win lol
That was his friend pictured here, that was not him.
I am sorry but it is in really poor taste to sit there and argue on someone's post. And even more poor taste for a SOURCE to be the one arguing. You both have your thoughts on shit, as does EVERYONE let it go and go lift some weight and east some pussy already....
Bro, it's not someone's post, it's their post! And the SOURCE hired him for the EBC, we don't quite know who the real Vandaly is at this point. And I'd say it was more of a difference of opinions being discussed than an argument.
No never at up to 60mg/d for 10 wks. But I did take it for 6 wks at 50-80mg/d Along with Test Cyp/Deca/Tren/HGH, unfortunately I did not jump rope though. But I did lift the shit out of some weights.
As far as your offer, some how I just don't feel comfortable ingesting anything you would send me, or providing you my specifics! Sorry, I'm a little cautious about such things.
adress the bodyfat percentage issue
and things will get a lot better
I agree with that the bodyfat % should have been addressed before using tren to get the best results
Well I don't know what he wants to do personally, but Tren can be used to gain lean muscle at any BF%
No1Tren is tren
not its not, do some research bro, one is cutter one is bulker
No1I thought the only difference is the ester, my bad then
IMO, Not So, Either can be used for either along with other compounds and calorie adjustments. Trenbelone is still the base steroid.
Dude your a retard, you have no idea what your talking about, One is more of a bulker one is more of a cutter, can you cut on E yeah but its not made for that, that would be the Ace. Can he take E to cut, yes which is what he is trying to do! Once he gets lower BF% then I'm sure he will switch to ace, looking at your EBC pics I can see you have no experience to talk you had no difference in both pics just a fucking tan! this guy is just 6 weeks into his cycle I'm sure his Sust long resters are starting to kick in high speed. The real Vandely did an amazing fucking job and because of all you cry babies they took it down, you will never get the results or put the effort I saw him do, If he entered the contest he would have won easy but he did not want the pot so he did not enter in fact he donated to the pot 10 vials!! He's a real pro and showed everyone how its really done. He took all the negativity as a complement.
Tren is tren, wow.. one a bulker one a cutter, this guy lmao
Have used both for both uses, nothings different except having to pin less frequent on the longer ester and TREN E doesnt seem as potent after 10-12 weeks
You trolling, or are you being serious right now?
Regardless.. @ OP.. Drop calories low 2k-2.2k on those compounds you wont lose muscle, will probably even gain since you seem relatively new to the game also cardio after workouts.. different man in 4 weeks from now believe me
What! dude you really don't know what your talking about, I just said you can use E as a cutter but ace is always the true cutter. You can bulk on E with the correct diet, but I'm sure this guy is not trying to bulk, which is why I'm sure he chose Tren E. Have you ever tried putting on size with gear that has short half-life? Its really hard, tren E has longer half life which is much easier to put on size then Ace.
You seem confused, slow down and take a breath.
Think about what you want to say then type! Have a great day!
Like I said E is more of a bulker then ace, is E a great bulker no, actually EQ test E much better but more water weight is associated with those compounds, in the end it can come to diet,
Getting closer, Diet does make the difference. Yes, enanth does usually result in more water weight than Ace or prop. EQ is similar to Deca in results but with a longer 1/2 life and the benefit of increased appetite I have heard.
Here is a question for you, if Tren E is truly for bulking and Tren A for cutting. Why would Tren A in the form of Finaplix be utilized by the cattle industry to BULK up cattle for slaughter?
Diet Diet Diet, lets see you not bulk up if you eat like a cow, the lean quality in tren ace is slightly more superior then tren E, cows get leaned up meat. Don't compare cows diet and workout regiment to ours.
the finaplix is used for cows to beef them up 60-90 days prior to slaughter,so i guess they didnt want to use the longer enanthate ester cause they didnt want to wait for it to "kick-in" lmao. the shorter the ester the more of the parent hormone you will actually have. diet is what makes you cut or bulk, and some steroids are better at cutting than bulking vice-versa, but any will do the job.
Awe, and I was just starting to warm up to you. LOL Its a shame when someone new to steroids knows more than a source. I'd say you might want to think about also getting your vision checked if you think my only change was a tan. Your rite he didn't enter just tried to pull a switch at the end and got caught and now your upset, oh well. If his sust ain't "in" by 6 weeks he should think about a different lab. LOL ;-P
Dude he did not pull a switch! He even stated it next to his pics that his Friend dropped out (the guy with the tats up top) and he just wanted to show his progress, he never hid that fact, why would he try to win is own gear? He has an unlimited supply of our gear he does not want all that other home brew and bunk shit gear! Sust take 6 weeks to have all 4 esters usually kick in and stabilize, you can feel good sust from day 1. But takes weeks for all esters to take effect because your actually taking less doses of E and cyp.
Sorry, have to disagree again. He was trying to say it was his entry and it was legit. He shoud not have been on the page in the first place, as he was not entered! Done with that.
Don't think the other sources would appreciate you saying their gear is home brew bunk shit. And it may be against Forum rules, or at least source to source courtesy.
Now onto the Sustanon: Sustanon does not have E or Cyp in it. You can feel it from day 1 due to the Prop and Phenyl Prop (short/slightly longer), The long esters are Isocarpoate, and decanoate (long and longer). And btw the long esters are at a higher dosage than the short, 30 Prop, 60 phenyl, 60 isocaproate, 100 decanoate. 90 short 160 long. Good Night!
OMG, of course your feeling prop on day one, look english is not my first language but, so my lingo might not sound correct to you but to explain half-life to our customers no one knows about test Decanoate, but Test deca would be the same half-life of Test E and cyp we use this as a reference point. He never said his entry was legit, give me a break your lying through your teeth, you never read that because I read the entire thread and he never said that.
Once again, language barrier or not, You are wrong. You should let one of your tech guys answer questions. Ester Half-Life in days, Test E 10.5, Cyp 12, Decanoate 15. Not the same!
I have no reason to lie, nothing to gain or lose. If he was not trying to put one over, none of us would have said shit. But.... He switched pics on an EBC entry that was not his, and tried to argue with everyone that it was all legit and that he did that work in 10 weeks or so and all on Var and jumping rope. WTF, ain't nobody here that stupid, and its a slap in the face to everyone who busted their ass.
He never said it was legit! He's a straight up honest guy! Busted their ass and all had nowhere near the results he had lol, he just wanted to show his pics and what the human body is capable of, it's an amazing transformation and he was only on Omega var, think about this for a second, if we wanted to we could have said he was taking all these oils we sell and it would be more believable and benefit NDG in sales, but he took the high road and was honest. Half lifes are all around 2 weeks I have tests to prove that, iv popped positive weeks after a last inject of test E before.
You can explain it any way you want. It was wrong, it was deceptive, and even if by some magical, mysterious way, that medical science could never explain, those were actual 10 week results from a var only cycle no one will ever believe it due to the way it was presented.
Regarding your positive tests, the time required to completely get rid of the Test E in your system far exceeds the 1/2 life, and depending what you mean by positive (possibly, testosterone to epitestosterone ratio) How many 1/2 lifes it would take to get "normal" would also be dependant on where you had brought your levels up to and what ratio that testing body considered "normal".
There is really no sense in going any farther with this. It is what it is.
You have a lot to learn pal and you don't deserve even hearing from a more experienced user, do some research and understand these compounds and how some can work together with other compounds, Test Deca is stacked with other esters in sust which can change its structure, you should not just look up the single half-life of one ester. I have this down to a science. Im done with you, your just to stubborn to listen to reason or believe things you have seen with your own eyes.
x2 bro.
Bro, if he ever plans on showing some muscle he must address his diet, im not trying to be a dick or anything just giving my input, tren should only be used if you are below 10% bf and i dont think that is the case here.
Yeah I agree, he should have not used Ace.