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This is my bloodwork done on Day 1 of Week 4... Optimal Labs Test Enanthate 500/mg a week. Test levels at 1836 ng/ml, estrogen at 140 pg/ml. My LH has me thinking I should start my HCG earlier than planned. Was planning on doing it the last 30 days of cycle and the 2 weeks leading up to PCT...starting to think I should do it in conjunction with Tuesdays Test E shot. Whatcha all think?
P.s...Estrogen looks high but I have no sides. A.I. on hand in case.

supersavage's picture

I'd just like to point out if your on week three this is when your body is going to try and maintain a hormonal balance.The male doesn't make any estrogen it converts testosterone into estrogen.Week three and four are the usual times that most people run into estrogen sides like gyno because of the build up of test.Once your body figures out it can not keep up converting estrogen to maintain a hormonal balance it should subside.Once it stops trying to convert the test into estrogen your test levels will increase.

Ludwig's picture

Just taught me something. Thank you for taking the time to post!!!

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carpejohn's picture

To early to be accurate, he could of started at 300ng/dL.

Jacob Rader's picture

i would say yes. my levels were around 2300 (forget exact, picture is in self shots) at 600mg a week

Ludwig's picture

I looked at your post...your test levels were at 2235...at the end of week 5 I believe. Mine were done on day 1 of week 4, so really only 3 full weeks. I would've liked to get them done another week or 2 later but I had a libido drop and I wanted to know why.

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Ludwig's picture

What week did u get your bloods done? I'm assuming that after the 3 full weeks of test e at 500 mg it should be fully in myi system but I'm not sure of this. Maybe one more week would've boosted it up even more?

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carpejohn's picture

Might want give some blood once month to lower RBC. Other than that looks good!

supersavage's picture

Your estrogen is always going to be a bit high with high test.It is your bodies natural response it converts test to estrogen.If you don't have any sides don't worry about it.You have better gains when your estrogen is high bit your test is higher without any sides.Enjoy the pumps brother and only use ai sparingly.

mrgut28's picture

HCG only mimics FSH/LH and does nothing as far and causing its release. Clomid/Nolvadex is a much better choice as it will stimulate FSH and LH secretion. Also the added benefit is it will help with estrogen levels.

carpejohn's picture

This is wrong information bro, don't want newbs to believe incorrect info.

Hcg only stimulates your testes by LH not FSH. Hcg contains LH and does not require the body to produce it. Clomid/nova are inferior to HCG as it relys on the bodies negive feed back loop to produce LH and FSH. All the above stimulates the testes with hcg being far greater especially when your shutdown which happens within a week. One thing people have to remember is that no matter what you use your body is smarter and knows you have to much androgens floating around and will not produce anymore testosterone. All that it will do is simulate the testes like flexing a muscle so they don't shrink and speed up recovery time in pct. Some people have better luck with using it the entire cycle and some people like to use it sparingly but all in all it's up to the individual.

Ludwig's picture

Lol. Took me a minute. Funny myo...yeah, calling all vets!!!

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Ludwig's picture

Veterinarians??? WTF are you talking about???

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killinit88's picture

ha he means like dog doctor bro

gsleepy's picture

you can see through the marker! I strongly suggest pulling this and redux.

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Ludwig's picture

Holy shit!!! Bled through the paper. Appreciate it, and fixed with a quickness. F***ing marker.

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