+ 4 Bloodwork from tren cycle with no AI or DA
I'm posting these bloods from a friend's recent cycle. Just goes to show that a dopamine agonist is NOT MANDATORY. No sense in treating a problem that is not there. Below are his cyle notes.
Started Cycle: Sunday 6-11 (Blood work Friday before)
Ended Tren: Tuesday 7-25 (Blood work the next day)
Weeks 1-4
Tren 35mg, Prop 25mg ED
Weeks 5-7.5
Tren 50mg, Prop 25mg ED
Continuing Prop at 75mg ED for the next couple of weeks.
Starting blood work note: Alkaline Phosphatase is always low (genetic) and I had an infection earlier in the week which probably elevated my lymphs.
Literally felt it kick in the day after the first shot. Started making gains quickly. It really kicked hard about the start of week 5.
Gained 14 pounds and lost an inch off of my waist.
I had all of the classic Tren side effects to some degree. Night sweats weren't too bad but insomnia sucked. High body temperature, crazy sex drive, massively altered mood, heartburn, Tren cough, etc. One weird thing that happened is after the first week I woke up one morning and everything hurt and continued to ache throughout most of the cycle. Thought it was low cortisol which is why I had it checked in the second test.
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Great example of an alternative way of doing things, often bashed by people who just don't know what they are talking about.
His prolactin isn't actually high. It's within range of many tests (>20 = mild high). It seems correspondingly high to what would have been an elevated estrogen having started at 39, which will be due to the elevated test level
Really interesting
+for sharing
Did he ever share his thoughts down the line on what caused the aches?
Holy shit 133 estro how did you feel running with estro that high?
I have pushed into the 70s while running dbol and I thought I was pushing it at that level.
Any gyno symptoms from this cycle?
This is a great post I've really been into all the posts lately on this subject.
I originally read makwa posts about running low test and having alot less sides now we have been discussing it more and more. I do believe that the compounds besides Testosterone can do the job so why run so much test if you're stacking other compounds. Let them do the job or just run a test cycle.
What do you think brother?
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Not my bloodwork so all I can do is relay what I've been told. His estro was not that high, the tren causes a false high reading. I told him to make an account so he can answer these questions directly.
Low test with other compounds run higher can work very well for people, myself included. Other people it's a nightmare and they have to run higher test.
For him maybe not but I'd be in trouble at 19. Proves just the opposite to me.
Then again no AI so maybe if he kept his e2 in line he would have normal pro. We'll never know cuz he fucked the test by getting the wrong one.
Also, no one ever said a DA was mandatory, did they? Most will say it's mandatory to have on hand in case you need it, because you might, but there's no guarantee you will. Just like some need no AI on a test dose I'd need 25mg ed of aro. Dont know where this crusade against caber came from but no one I've seen said you need it, just that's it's stupid to not have it around cuz you might need it.
There are a lot of folks on this site that think a DA is mandatory and advise using them if you run a 19nor. I agree 100% that you should have all ancillary meds to treat any potential sides of the drugs you are running.
I dig. I guess I've either read the advice differently or have missed it altogether. To be fair, I don't go to the cycle log/critique section very often. And in the forum section the ones I see are usually dummies posting up and haven't done any research so the feedback is usually (and appropriately), "do you have caber/prami/bromo ready" or "you wouldn't be having this issue if you used a DA".
Seems as if we're on the same page then. But we've always known/said that, so I guess I'm just confused about the posts against it. It makes more sense though if there is a lot of "take this no matter what" advice going around.
It's a shame he didn't get sensitive or go to Quest instead of labcorp. The e2 would have told us a lot.
PS. That neg is not from me. Don't want you thinking it is based off my first comment.
When I ran npp never needed to use the caber I started to use on my first cycle but there was no need for it.
I did though last cycle have to add in caber my estro was fine and I was experiencing sides so I started running the caber and it worked gia was actually the member who reccomended it.
It really is an individual experience each time for everyone.
It is a must like you said to have on hand but not always required to use. This is why blood work is so important on cycle.
Im not telling you that just making a general statement
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