posted Thu, 11/20/2014 - 09:47
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+ 26 Bloods on balkan test e
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Currently running 900mgs of balkan test e, 50mgs of balkan proviron and .25mg balkan adex eod, and 500mgs of npp from another source. Been on for 7 weeks now. Not thrilled at all with total test of 3700 when ive tested higher on 500mgs ew. 4000 seems to be pretty common on 500mgs a week and I'm on almost double and not even there. Only been on the proviron for about 7 days before the test so maybe if i had been on for longer it would have brought my e2 down. Gonna up my adex dose to .5mg eod now and probably up my test dose. Atleast all the rest of my bloods look great.
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Absolutely is sold in pharmacies my friend, everywhere in the country plus exported (not hormones). Is sold in hospitals. Oncological hospital from Moldova buy from them most of the products each year. This company produce over 350 products sold mostly in hospitals and for cancer treatments and they are effective for so many years since hospitals buy them year after year ( all information can be found on www.amed.md thats moldova fda site ). If they would fail once this company would be closed.
Lets check : LICITATION ( tenders ) on www.amed.md
Home Licitaţii Rezultatele licitaţiilor
http://amed.md/tc_userfiles/file/Licitatii/Rezultate%20licitatiilor/Cast...
Here you can find companies that are producing for real drugs and selling their drugs to the hospitals in the country. Look for LICITATION results , this is very important to see if company is real
Rezultatul licitaţiei nr.1608/13 din 20.11.2013
( for 2014 the big LICITATION is in september 2013 . Other small licitation are just for small needs . )
Download the lists in XLS and check the lists for drugs name and company name and see which drugs they sold to the government ( more complicated drugs better the company. So for example if they sold only tablets company is small if they sold aqueous injectable in sizes bigger than 10 ml the company is the best )
various things not related with quality of the gear. You can not say gear is bad based on 1 or 10 bloods posted. I send tons of stuff so if few guys have such a problem could be many things and not gear quality. Is not worth to underdose for 2000 per kg price for bayer raw.
This is crazy, really dissapointed. I just got my test c and dbol from them Im still on week one but if this stuff is underdosed ima be pissed I blew my money on it. But I guess only time will tell.
Just want to understand how you can assume you got bunk from me based on one guy bloods ? I sell stuff to thousands of people monthly and I am here for 14 year I think. I would not be in business if I would be dishonest
I wasn't assuming, I appologize if it came across that way. Was just saying IF it is bunk ima be upset, I'm not jumping to any conclusions or saying that it is, that's why I said only time will tell. I'm not trying to discredit you or anyone else on here, I have upmost respect for all my bros.
Id be pissed if I were you brother, pharma cyp at 400 mg per week gets me up to 3500-3700. Numbers done lie, at 500 mg a week higher your numbers should def be more impressive...
@enhancedlife you keep banging on about AP on this thread and whilst i agree they're a decent lab with nice packaging they aren't the holy grail. Ive used a few bits of theirs and theyve done the job fine but theyre dbol gets almost unanimously flamed and the test e actually tested on here at around 204-7 mg/ml instead of 250 iirc so they arent perfect.
Show me a link to that
http://www.eroids.com/pics/alpha-pharma-testobolin-0
There you go bud :-)
Hey I do not know who AP company is. Plus is not nice they posted in this thread that their products made on a boat is better than human grade but MASS-SPEC analyses are zero value.
If those mass-spec were real we would find there a lot of values and impurities ( that are accepted to exist within some limits ) . Check COA for Bayer raw and see a list of impurities that should appear there if that mass exist. http://www.eroids.com/pics/coa-raw-test-ena
Also was proved already that mass-spec analyses have zero scientifically backing
The MS you post is zero value. Their product could be 50 mg or 300 for example.
I found another article:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#t=article
Iron_MonkI did bloods on Balkan Pharma Test Cyp a few months ago during my trt cruise and my bloods were spot on with the Norma Test Enanthate I was using previously.
Balkan is my go to lab so im gonna run all Balkan gear on my next blast and ill post my results to be sure for personal reasons
What was your dose and what were you test levels?
Iron_Monk200mg Test Cyp each week had me in the upper 900s
WeekendWarriorInteresting blood work iron! Thanks for sharing! I must admit several other boards have the same discussions going on for month's at balkan pharma and ASHOP +1. Hopefully more people will have blood test to defend both sides so we can see legitimacy of the products
This studies only apply if you take one inject a week and pull bloods 7 days later.
The only problem is for interpretation of the results, half life etc. Enanthate you do not need to make more than one time per week because is very stable like cypionate. So if you do three times or one time it will be stable because per week you have same dosage. But please let me discuss with specialists ( because I do not want to post here suppositions and then look like a idiot ) on Monday and I will have for you a answer.
Plus he have 50mg of proviron and adex that will lower test numbers also.
It's also worth asking how much he weighs. My point being is that steroids dosages are often recommended upon weight. I was just having a discussion about a guy using the same watson as his friend yet tested lower. He just so happened to have about 90 lbs on him. So a 250 lb individual may test lower than the 175 lb guys in the studies. Just something to think about.
You brought something very interesting. Could be valid or no but anyway I am sure that are many factors we do not know when we take decisions. I browsed through lab tests posted by members here ( just few random ) and I see sometimes people also jumping on conclusion on other sources but noone until now tried to get to the root of this calculations.
Maybe I should try to find some specialist but I really do not feel I need to prove that a human grade factory at European Standards ( you can find confirmation in news, media on governmental sites ) is not underdosed. BP is a BMW in a market of chinese cars but I am not the one who is getting paid for working on this.
I am thinking to add on my site also all brands available on Moldova market and having no responsibility of each lab quality ( same like others ) me being just a salesman. Seems those UG labs are working good on their image on forums having resources and people I do not have.
I will think to this option is a much simpler way of doing business.
I'm not gonna try to diagnose this I think everyone else has already. +1 for the bloods bro.
rocketballzPinkbear is the best!! LOL
We will do whatever it take to make our customers happy thats well known
LennyThat is a great police but there is one catch. What about the time everyone wasted. I see you running this as a numbers game.You 1st try to discredit the complaint by posting a bunch of bullshit. Example saying LabCorb can not test for free test. Then a no karma name or 2 pops in on your side. Finally you send the the person complaining out a bunch of gear to make them happy AKA shutting them up.This is all going on while there is thousands of others that do not know to complain or they just got lucky. I could be all wrong but that is what it looks like to me.
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Lennyaccepted
Here in moldova any lab can do free test so that is very stupid IMO. Probably they have a cheap fast method.
When is a complaint I will act in a different way if would be a no-agressive complain. EX: Like here are my results guys what are your opinion ? Would be nice and would let me know to concentrate on seeing where is the problem.
I would have preferred if complains in general would not be so aggressive because a aggressive one me think is something personal and not a real problem ( because I know what I sell and I do not sell junk ) and I do not focus on the problem solving. I am not disappearing from here tomorrow and run to be needed a aggressive complain.
Also this BP is produced with Bayer raw. I have even invoices is 2000 USD per KG if you want to know so is almost same like chinese. It doesn't worth for them to produce with chinese raws.
Just does not worth for them to screw things. They produce really expensive drugs sold in hospitals hormones are just 30 products from 300 I think
http://agora.md/stiri/1389/ce-companii-din-moldova-produc-cele-mai-scump...
or translated
https://tinyurl.com/pwmgljj
LennyYou had me at Moldova.
lol
lmfao
Sorry last few hours I was between airports. I will post again my opinion at the moment. Also I will send some emails to IFBB PRO owner of professional muscle asking his opinion because he is one of the real IFBB PRO who always done blood tests during his cycle and he know better the truth.
So you are complaining that blood test are too low based on previous experiences with UG. I know very good how UG are working, they are like blind people making cookies. They never know what they put inside and how much. So UG experience is not a comparator for my products.
I rely on this article :
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.long#T2
Take a look at TABLE 2 at 600 mg per week you should have 2370 so I think for 900mg 3721 is about right
Mathematically you should have for 900 mg: 3555 ( plus minus 10-20% from what a pharmacist told me that could be differences between different people on how their body is using the drug )
If you took another UG brand and you had higher numbers and you compare with that I perfectly understand and is normal. Most of UG brands mix in their gear testosterone propionate and overdose with it. So you had higher spikes of testosterone because you used a UG
You have proviron plus adex that will lower your testosterone so the number you have is not bad.
Also your laboratory have not the ability to test FREE TEST so I think you should do again to compare the FREE TEST also.
Please do not compare BP products with UG ones.
rocketballzIm not doubting the authenticity of that study but two things are apparent: the study group was only 61 men; a very small sampling. They were also given a GnRH agonist prior to the study, which most people who cycle don't do. The OP is an informed aas user so to try and discredit him is a waste of time. Bloods don't lie. The study also recorded the plasma levels ONE WEEK after injection. It's no wonder the levels are so low in that study. Most aas users inject at least twice a week to keep levels as stable as possible and I know the OP pinned more than once a week. I don't see how you can compare the results from that study to what the OP posted. And didn't you offer a monetary reward for anyone who can prove Balkan gear is underdosed? Well I would think about paying up brother. Saying stuff like UG gear is spiked with prop doesn't hold much water IMO. Anyone could say anything like that but unless you can prove it, it means nothing. At 900 mgs/wk with properly dosed gear the range should be somewhere in the range of 5,000 to 8,000. that is based on the other bloods Ive seen posted on here, not just anecdotal evidence but actual blood tests.
You are wrong and I will prove you are wrong .
I have a study that say like me you have nothing just suppositions. Please come with facts not suppositions.
That study was not made or ordered by me so you can doubt all day long is your problem. I will not continue with you discussion if you make suppositions turning this into another mass-spec drama.
I will have some answers in writing from some specialist that will study data I provided.
rocketballzThe "facts" are the blood tests that many people have posted which show test levels significantly higher on lower test doses. The OP put up links to four or five of them in this thread. You get so defensive. Is it possible you are wrong? A little humility goes a long way bro. You appear to be lacking in that department.
LennyI bet it will be a credit lol.
LennyI think the new slogan should be "Balkan at least it's cheap". I would much rather have under dosed gear than cloudy gear. Great that you posted this.. I love the excuses and the blame game.
thanks for sharing the test iron
not much to say beside disappointing
UPDATE:
I read a scientific article and I think you are honest not with bad intentions but maybe misinformed.
Please read this article:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.long#T2
Take a look at TABLE 2 at 600 mg per week you should have 2370 so I think for 900mg 3721 is about right
( mathematically you should have for 900 mg: 3555 )
If you took another UG brand and you had higher numbers and you compare with that I perfectly understand and is normal. Most of UG brands mix in their gear testosterone propionate and overdose with it. So you had higher spikes of testosterone because you used a UG
Please when you post something and before saying shit about something do some research nothing else
article looks legit and maybe should pe pinned up permanently somewhere
Ive seen the article, but if you're saying that ugls is spiked with test prop, that means EVERY ugl is spike with test prop because 3500-4000 is the standard for 500mgs ew. So you yourself has said GP gear is properly dosed and you've tested it yourself, heres the results of 1g of gp test. http://www.eroids.com/pics/gp-test-500-undecanoate-follow-up 6600 serum, Heres on on 540mgs of GP dust, 4400 serum. https://www.eroids.com/pics/tren-lipids-and-kidney-function
On that table,blood was taken 1 week after last pin, that is why it is so low, the way you did it should give a higher number.
no no no. Test e and C have a stable rollover so you can do once a week or 3 is same. ask real vets
Mmmm..... Ok
many years ago on steroid.com i learned this . i prefer cyp since then i do inj once a week . test e is painfull for me
lol, no dude you cant, you would have huge spikes followed by huge declines, a rollarcoaster. you can def pin test c once a week but its by no means stable.
lets bet on this?
my friend, leave the anger away you are full of testosterone and nervous. really your bloods are good, keep in mind you have prov and adex that anyway will lower
some diplomacy without drama will clear things better
ashop, give him a new cycle to do shots once per week and do bloods again like in article :):):).
maybe you can do this for few more members as you posted somewhere ???????? :):)
irongame i am sure ashop will do good for you
Alin? Lol
x2, were ready for pct 2 weeks after our last injection, meaning 1 week after the last injecting were probably at half of what were when on cycle. Good eye bro.
Oh shit I just realized that you might be able to win $25.000 if testosterone is underdosed!!!!!
oh yes !!!!!!:):)
thats another type of test. undecanoate ...depends a lot the day you inject and day you do blood tests. spikes will be variable