posted Fri, 11/23/2012 - 15:13
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blood work.need help.from vets. Something isnt right.
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I have been.done with cycle for a 4 months. I injected when woke up injected ghrp6 and mod grf from Tom. Then rips from gorillagear. I also have been using 2.5 letro from purchase peptides. Something isn't right. I'm thinking hcg? My test was 330 a month ago ill post in a few. Liver went up big time since last month. What u guys think? Btw was doing clomid but stopped a little over 3 weeks ago.
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Anoni'm starting to think that you're just wanting to hear what you want to hear.. we've explained to you why your lh, fsh, and test are high. we've even told you to drop the AI, as it's the cause of your low estro. yet, you continue to ask variations of the same question?
I'm trying to get rid of gyno. I don't get y it's a big deal. U said it was from hgh. Found articles saying letro. Thought I'd share it. I see many people taking letro to get rid of gyno... The gyno is very small I think 2 weeks more of letro might do it.. Nolva willl take 6 weeks. Plus wanted to start cycle in 3. Can't run nolva with NPP. I'm trying to lower estrogen, y else would I take letro.
AnonYour e2 is already low bro. Letro is gonna floor that shit. It's not really a big deal.. It's your body.. It's just that one min you're talking about how your e2 is too low and everything else in the axis is high. But it seems you're lookig for justification to keep the letro. Also you said you've been off cycle for 4 months. Now you're talking about npp?
Huh I never complained about estrogen being to low. If anything I thought it was a little high for being on letro. Ya I've been done with cycle for 4 months so I'm planning on running another cycle with NPP in 3 weeks. Also never complained about lh fsh and test being to high just wanted to know y. 100s of guys run letro to reverse gyno.
Anonyou're right. you never complained about your estro, my bad. i'm gonna quote you here:
"Ya bro I know what everything means. But y is my test lh fsh and liver so high? Gonna post my other lab results from last month."
you said you knew what those numbers meant, but you commented that you think your estrogen is high with the letro. you realize that the normal range for estro in men is 10-50 pg/ml. not only are you on the low side of that range but you mentioned that your level's dropped 30 pts since last month from the addition to letro. all i'm saying is that you can expect it to drop a bit more if you continue with your dosage..
i'm still curious to know why the prami? libido issues? not trying to flame you bro; it's your body.
Prami because I know prolactin gets increased with ghrp and mod grf also hgh. I started feeling pain when I started peptides. Also ran NPP. I prob don't need prami considering prolactin is low normal range. Might drop it. I figure it can't hurt? I dno. Honestly tho gyno is so small no one notices but I can see nipples through t shirt which pisses me off. Nipples have been small but hard. Ya the letro is deff legit. I forgot I've only been on for a little
This guys lh is through the roof to. http://www.prohormoneforum.com/bloodwork/58503-bloodwork-while-letro-int...
His test to!
http://thinksteroids.com/forum/mens-health-forum/very-interesting-letro-...
I wonder where my test levels are at. Wanted to start cycle in 3 weeks
First let me say give the facts please when you want help. SUch as you were on 600mg NPP/600mg Test a week for 12 wks, 4months ago. Are you having any joint pain and how is your Libido with your estradiol at 9.8 pg/ml. How long have you been on he Letro?? A day,a week,a month?
Drop the letrozole
It's what is causing you elevate LH and FSH. Which in turn is causing the increase in your test levels. It can cause elevated liver enzymes and has an unfavorable effect on plasma lipid levels. Once you stop you may have estrogen rebound so you may need to get on nolva to control that as your test levels will drop and your estro will increase. You will also notice that your AST elevated after the Letro and increased 234%. Your ALT was elevated on your 1st test so that may be related to the juice. It's not the peptides. The HGH may have a synergistic effect. But it's the Letro. It's considered a chemotheraphy class drug and is given to women with breast cancer after chemo.
Here's a study for the facts. It was a 28day study.The title:Comparative Assessment in Young and Elderly Men of the Gonadotropin Response to Aromatase Inhibition
Results: As assessed after 28 d of treatment, letrozole lowered E2 by 46% in the young men (P = 0.002) and 62% in the elderly men (P < 0.001). In both age groups, letrozole, but not placebo, significantly increased LH levels (339 and 323% in the young and the elderly, respectively) and T (146 and 99%, respectively) (P value of young vs. elderly was not significant). Under letrozole, peak LH response to GnRH was 152 and 52% increase from baseline in young and older men, respectively (P = 0.01). Keep in mind these test subject were not coming off of supraphysiological doses of androgens.
I wrote a post about letro based off an article a while back it was titled: Letrozole Designing a Smart First Cycle Without the Use of Anabolic Steroid. It wasn't well thought out and I got hammered so I took it down. I couldn't defend it. But now I see that it may have a place if your T levels are not coming back as it will increase them. I also think Letro may have a place for the person who has natural low T levels at a lower dose than 2.5mg day. Just my thoughts.
Base line chart: http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/10/5717/T2.expansion.html
After 2.5 mg letro :
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/10/5717/T2.expansion.html
full study:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/10/5717.full
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/10/5717.abstract
Thanks for the reply. Was on letro about 8 days. Trying to combat gyno. Was thinking of switching to aromasin when I start cycle
That's long enough to elevate everything. Did you stop using it? I ran into the same problem at the start of my current cycle. I front loaded 750mg test c and 450mg of Deca split in 2 600mg doses wk. Started to have problems from the jump. Got off the Deca after the 3rd dose. Was on Aromasin from the start and it wasn't clearing. Realized it was the Deca. Lucky for me a friend had some caber and after a few doses I got it in check pretty quick. Now I'm at the end of wk 10. Have been running Test only at 600mg wk after I dropped the Deca. I like Aromasin works great for me.
I think I've had this gyno for a few months and noticed lump/pain a month ago after cycle. I dno wat to do. Should I keep running letro. I wanna get rid of lump before its to late. Been running prami to.
Anonyou don't need prami here. and DROP THE LETRO. yes, it has its benefits for reversing gyno but you're not even on cycle right now. drop the AI bro.. nolva is more beneficial for you here.
Dam dude sorry to hear that. Let's back track. Did you take any kind of AI while on cycle. What exactly was you pct and for how long. On what date did you start the letro and end it? How long have you been taking the prami. On what date did you start, how much,when did you stop. Did you take any prami while on cycle? I seen on another board what your cycle was.
I was running 12.5mg aromasin eod. Got blood work and estrogen was at 135. Upped dose. Pct was clomid 100/100/50/50/50 daa and some test boosters. Prami about 6 days. No prami on cycle deff stupid. But no lactating? And prolactin seemed low range of normal last month.
I just sent you a pm
Anonfr sent, my man! nice info and GREAT reference points! i use scholarly articles rather than standard google for my research as well. when you get the time, try to look into the relationship of gh with the HTPA axis. you'll be surprised what you find. i posted a link to one of tread-m's posts below. this will give a lil insight as to what you'll be looking for.
Anonmaybe this will offer some insight on how gh increases fsh, lh, and natty test
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/hgh...born-again
Thx buddy gonna read Tom when I wake up with a cup of coffee
Btw just realized was off clomid for 2 weeks. Ran for 2 weeks at 50mg. I'm thinking its the clomid or I got hcg instead of peptides. But toms a very reputable source Is 2 weeks enough time for clomid to clear out of system
Anonhalf life is 5-7 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clomifene
Shit. Guess it wasn't clomid... I was taking lexapro before test to,
Anonlol. i'm not too keen on the liver values yet my man.. i'd drop the letro and pick up some nolva. also add some liver support to the equation. something with milk thistle in it.
Wondering why you're running letro and prami?
Gyno small tho
Ahhh. Ok.
Anonhow do you feel fast about nolva as an alternative for him here, so that his estro isn't too out of whack. also, he's curious if the letro is what's impacting his liver values. i know nothing about this aspect... your thoughts?
Prob don't need prami from looking at prolactin from last month. Figure it can't hurt because peptides and gh can raise levels
http://www.eroids.com/pics/6-weeks-after-pct-blood-work lab results from last month. Was using same peptides but didn't inject before blood work
Anonif i had to take a wild guess here, bro, i'd say that your test is a direct result of increased positive feedback loop for natty test provided by the rips. great thing about gh is the synergy it provides with the endocrine system.
Hmmmm interesting. I regret taking it before test wanted baseline. Btw estrogen dropped from 30 since last month. But if its legit letro wouldn't estrogen be crashed? Only been doing letro for 2 weeks tho. Also been doing prami at night
Anoni'd say the letro is the culprit there. why prami? just curious.. there shouldn't be any prolactin issues here
Ya I know lol. Been taking just to be safe trying to get rid of gyno!!
Anonwhat about nolva as an alternative? it's mostly active in the breast tissues. (and i think we posted at the same time. i asked that question when you were answering fast lol)
Ya I ran nolva for a little but read to not use letro and nolva together when trying to get rid of lump. Letro is prob y liver values r high?
Anonhonestly, bro, i don't have that answer for you... lets ask fast? lol
Anoncourtesy of my man cdaddy:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/labs-and-values-defined...
Ya bro I know what everything means. But y is my test lh fsh and liver so high? Gonna post my other lab results from last month.
Anonyeah. i posted that link before you edited your descripion. at the time i thought maybe you asking someone to explain the levels to you. my bad bro.
Anongh works similarly to clomid in terms of stimulating gonadatropin, LH, & FSH production. it has many other benefits in terms of the reproducting system, but as it relates to your levels, you basically rebooted post cycle and then threw that shit into overdrive. the plus side to this is: you're still functioning in the sex hormone dept!