posted Wed, 10/17/2012 - 15:59
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6 weeks after pct blood work
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So my baseline was 710. You think test is low for 6 weeks after pct? Also liver ast is high. Any advice would b great
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dude, im reading all this shit. it has only been 6 weeks man. give it more time. stop putting shit into your body for a few weeks, maintain your diet, keep up your supplement routine, get good sleeps and stay well hydrated and get re-tested in a few weeks. no need for a second pct or anything.
MORE importantly..how are you feeling?
breakingfaceI would up your AI to bring down the estro. 30 might be acceptable on cycle or if your natty test was up and running... however, at this point it may be interfering with your feedback loop.
Might want to pop .5 caber a couple weeks and see if that helps. Even though NPP is a short ester its still in your system for several months. I did same cycle as you but only 350 mg NPP week and I was weiry of the prolactin issues so I continued Caber during PCT .5 1 x a week and feel great. The prolactin from the NPP could still be hindering test production even after 6 weeks off so maybe try that if you got caber on hand. Deca is notorious for hard shut down, NPP is relatively new and not much data on it, shut down seems less than deca but who knows. Your prolactin on your serum test seems in normal range but, the 19 nor could still be a factor now 6 weeks later. IMHO I'd do low dose caber and clomid and retest in a few weeks.
I think pct clomid was legit it was from adc and purchase peptides. I did a heavy cycle lol. NPP at like 600mg every week test prob 600mg we and 100mg anavar all for 12 weeks!!!
damn...var for 12 weeks, var at 6 is good enough. you just did double time on your liver. Might wanna think about getting some liver support, even milk thistle at this point can be beneficial at getting your liver back on point
Ya just popped cycle support and milk thistle. My liver was worse 6 weeks after tren test cycle. I don't think it's to elevated. Deff elevated tho lol. At least alt is fine.
100mg var for 12 weeks, holy shit...now wonder your liver numbers are up...you still taking liver support?
Na but I'm going to lol
you gotta bro! liver is nothing to fuck with, once function is gone its gone. as much water is possible...start getting down 2 gallons a day
Ya are my values that bad??
That ALT is high for 8wks post.Also your BUN/creatine is high. B/C determines kidney function. BUN stands for blood urine nitrogen. It measures how much urea is present in the bloodstream. Urea is released into the bloodstream by the liver as the body breaks down proteins. In healthy kidneys, urea is removed from the blood,and
passes easily into the urine. When kidney function is impaired, a buildup of urea occurs. Drink a lot of water to get that flushed out and to make sure your not dehydrated. Also make sure your going to the bathroom the same amount of times as before your cyle. When you have impaired kidney function you piss less. Listen to what Levelup is telling you.
I had an elevated BUN with my post-cycle bloods too. I had blood drawn first thing in the AM, do you think that is a contributor as all night sleeping and not drinking water?? Other than that, I drink at LEAST a gallon of H2O/day...and piss alot, enough so that it is always pale yellow to almost clear.
Could be. Now that I've been looking at it closer it could be just high protein diet. Long as he and you are pissing ok nothing to worry about. With a higher protein up take I think it's normal as high protein diet will elevate the numbers as will dehydration.
I have to piss every 45 min it gets annoying. Atleast my kidneys aren't to messed up.
high protein, no doubt!!! Off-cycle, I take in 280-320g protein/day...on-cycle is usually 400+. That's what I contributed it to be, although I just didn't really like the 'sound' of me having a higher than normal urea content in my system...which technically is not a very good(healthy) thing in the long scheme of things. that's why I flush my system throughout the day without depleting myself of vitamins/minerals/supps, etc. Rough game we're in here, lol.
you are sitting at almost two times the new limits, around 3 times and then it gets really bad...just start taking your support and keep the water up...def check on this with your next round of bloodwork...probably lay off the orals for the next cycle
Ya double post
I did my bloodwork 8 weeks after PCT, as I have heard that is the optimal time. My test was at 575...yours is a lil low at 330. Maybe your bloods would have been better in a few more weeks, or your pct's weren't that great?
super, what about hcg blast + second pct for a faster recovery? ive read it in a couple of places but dont have any experience on it. what are your feelings on this?
hcg blast..ehh, I am not really a believer all so much, as hcg can spike your estrogen levels, which is why I like hcg for ON-cycle use and when running an AI correctly, it won't hurt you...BUT when trying to gain your natty test levels back, I believe there is more of an unwanted opportunity to cause more harm than good when you esrtrogen and testosterone levels are at a delicate balance. As for a second PCT, sure why not..could even get away with just running some clomid probably at 50mg/day for three weeks and get another blood test to see where your at.
'Bfried' stated his shit was from ADC though, and their AI's and SERMS are usually spot on as far as I understand it.
sounds good, thanks for the input
Ya I'm gonna run nolva for 3 weeks and test blood work 2 weeks after. Will my test still be elevated from nolva 2 weeks after last dose? I'm going to la in 3 weeks for 5 days so won't be able to take for 3 days
Clomiphene will help more than Nolva, it why not do both? They are cheap as hell. And yes, the levels could still be elevated. I can find you a study if you like, but please either take my word for it or find it yourself- your body responds much better to prolonged stimulation. In a study I read, an individual had <100 total test. After two weeks of clomid use, the individual had test in the 800's. After two months off of clomid, his test dropped back down to the 300's. With an additional three months of clomid at 50mg daily, his test levels rose to ~750 and remained there. This is a little choppy because it's on my phone and don't have all the facts here, but I believe the concept was conveyed. Use clomid too. If the original length didn't work, extend use. It may not come back, but I believe a prolonged, modest dose of clomid to be the most effective way to recover based upon what I have read. It might be worth a shot
Ya going to order clomid tomorrow
My buddy is sending me nolva and might get torem
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I was at 710 12'weeks after last cycles pct. was hoping to start next cycle in 6 weeks but now I'm thinking at least 8
liv52, saw palmetto, and lots of water for the liver....hopefully someone else can comment about the test, you fsh and lh are normal so i presume it is on the way up
what was it before your cycle?
oh shit i thought u were at 710 now, seems low to me but im no expert