posted Wed, 08/26/2015 - 15:26
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+ 23 AngTropin GH Serum/IGF1
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FIRST IGF1 RESULT : 540 ng/mL
SECOND IGF1 RESULT : 683 ng/mL
Batch No: 20140301
Mfg. Date: 20140306
Exp. Date: 201602
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Batch No: 20140301
Mfg. Date: 20140306
Exp. Date: 201602
Omg thanks razor for these tests I got about 27 kits of these at the moment booooo yea
bigwillylol this is maybe the highest igf1 number iv seen ??????????
which kit are these bro, the 100 or 200 iu kit ?????
This is what happens on serostim at 9iu/day consistently after awhile (1,500 igf)
https://www.eroids.com/pics/mutas-final-igf-1-on-9iu-serostim-hgh-everyday.
Thanks Hail for posting this. Great #'s for 6iu/d. Exactly what I was hoping for!!!
100iu kit (yellow top) I updated the pic
bigwillyMight be the best product we have seen from china since jins wer shut down.
I would hope they are both the same but that's a good ?.
Wow......
So the second test is roughly 10 days or so of in 6 iu per day injects? Those are damn good #s.
Second blood draw was on the 8th morning after doing 6ius
bigwillySweet moses.
RustyhookerI'm confused. The igf is awesome but the hgh is just 9. I've seen geno pharma at 19. So is 9 decent?
Sorry, I'm trying to follow each test but overwhelmed with all the varied datas.
Even with the 10iu IM 3.5 Hr "protocol" we still see a variation in GH Serums results
When you inject an entire vial and time the blood draw at the known "peak", GH Serum will be elevated (if it's a GH Protein) The "number" doesn't determine potency, quality, etc
I did not fast or time the blood draw for the results posted
bigwillyEven crashed or trash gh will yield a fair serum result.it just means the product was gh or low quality or posibly very good.
bigwillyWhich is why on gh therapy blood work is done every 90 days.
RustyhookerExcellent! Thank you!
bigwillyIt be cool to see some one with enough patients to run like a 90 day test, to see if igf numbers go down and level off a lil. Problem there is no way to ensure a generic stays the same for 90 days lol.
I gess it could be done with pharma gh though
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/21800/image_120.jpg
This is exactly why IGF1 test(s) is the better test. This source (not a source here) is promoting GH Serum Testing VS IGF1 because of diminishing IGF1
RustyhookerThat's what seemed odd on other tests. It shouldn't diminish. Which is why folks run it year round.
Therapeutic Protein Immunogenicity (192aa, low purity generic, etc)
Most just do a one-time testing protocol (GH/IGF1)
And if someone posts a low IGF1 from running several kits of a certain brand....bad batch is always the answer....but actually it's probably the same batch...Therapeutic Protein Immunogenicity
RustyhookerOk....i do remember reading about that before. . Makes sense now
bigwillySo the better protocol would be a base igf then check igf in ,,,,,2 weeks ?
IGF1 can be elevated just like GH Serum (within 3 hrs)
Still waiting on the last IGF1 result for ANG
Hr fr sent
AnonThanks for testing it!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkDamn HR your testing budget must be pretty high
Thanks!
+3. ;)
High like my IGF1
I'll be doing an igf test after 2 kits per month.
I have 6 kits of these on the way and once I save up enough im stocking up! lol thank you for this test! Ive been on angtropins for a week and loving them.
Wow just ordered a kit to try, source said 30 plus on the serum, however 3 sub q and it jumps to 540 on IGF. Damn.
Thank you for your time HR as i have some on the way.
I will also be pulling IGF on these.
I've been preaching these cents day one! Thanks hell razor! And this is 540 with out a 10 Iu spike damb
This correlates pretty close to the levels you would get on peptides. Basskiller did a great write up on HGH vs CJC-1295 and GHRP-6. He compared 2 studies one done on healthy young men given Novo Nordisk HGH at doses of roughly 5iu,10iu, and 20iu. The 2nd study was Prolonged use of CJC-1295 in healthy adults. The main points are:
This is why we test HGH serum. To rule out peptides which will have a lower hgh serum number.
http://basskilleronline.com/growth-hormone-administration-vs-cjc-1295-gh...
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/10.1210/jc.2005-1536?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&...
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/endocrj1993/46/4/46_4_605/_pdf
http://sepia.unil.ch/pharmacology/index.php?id=66
Is there any blood work posted on eroids using those two peptides combined? I remember one member posting blood work that elevated both GH/IGF1 serum. I thought it was Frag 176-191. I could be wrong, I don't pay attention to the peps. I haven't seen consistent positive blood work with the research peps.
Example of immediate IGF1 elevation (Apprx doubled IGF1 after only 2 Hours with a 6iu inject, SubQ) Not a Peptide according to BassKiller
https://www.eroids.com/pics/godtropin-igf1gh-serum
Example of a Peptide (GHRP possibly):
https://www.eroids.com/pics/alpha-igf1gh-serum
My IGF1 seemed to decline slower than normal. Can't confirm it though. Not really sure what was being injected. :(
A Top Source here posted 10 HGH test results (MALDI-TOF MS) The link is gone unfortunately. (Blue Tops, Green Tops, etc)
All ten samples tested as a GH Protein
Several were of quality Somatropin
Several were low grade Somatropin (MW higher than 22k, other proteins, impurities)
3 out of the 10 Samples were 176aa GH (Not Somatropin 191aa)
Injecting an entire vial of GH 176aa would elevate GH Serum I assume
Not sure how 176aa effects IGF1
None of the samples contained (GHRP) Peptides or a Peptide Combo
It seems recently, sources and members were analyzing (promoting) GH Serum numbers as:
"Great Numbers"
"As good as Pharma"
"These are Strong"
Higher numbers showing potency and quality......which is incorrect
I agree with you that a one time GH Serum or IGF1 test isn't the best way to determine potency or quality of the GH being Tested.
As you know, I'll be posting up the Lab Result for the AngTropin
The Lab did confirm it to be HGH and not a (GHRP) Peptide
The problem I have with some "generics" is that they raise IGF-1 but not HGH serum to supraphysiological levels. After all you need elevated serum levels that then are converted to IGF-1in the body. We know from Pharma tests that serum numbers elevate to supra physiological levels. Why do some generics have low serum numbers yet very high IGF-1 numbers. That is the mystery.
The GH/IGF1 Serum results are from the 6iu Dosage
I didn't do the 10IU IM 3.5 hr (peak) to get these results
Maybe the slightly elevated GH Serum number indicates the GH that hasn't been "processed" into IGF1?
My GH serum is elevated compared to my GH Serum without Exo-GH.
Exo-GH (short half - life)
GH Serum levels vary (unstable)
The metabolic activity of GH will outlast the actual GH levels in the body
Isn't IGF1 the better indicator?
So then someone should test fda grade gh and see what the serum level is ?
bigwillySend me all your pharma stuff for testing ;)
bigwillyLol there's not a peptide concoction on earth that will mimic the results of quality growth hormone. Lol that's why phfizer gets away with 24$ an iu, lol
Lab emailed:
I'm the biggest "Hater" of "Generics". I'll be the first to admit it. But, seems there's some quality GH around. I'm just being proactive and posting info.
ZandaBased on your analysis...would you venture to say that these results are that of peptides and not hgh based on low GH serum # despite the elevated IGF #? Just trying to simplify for some of us....
I'm saying this " If pharma HGH elevates HGH serum to high levels at 5 iu along with IGF-1 why doesn't non-pharma HGH do the same thing? What is different?
This was stated to be at 5IUs
I see what you mean now MT (I didn't realize you were referring to the study)
These results are from controlled studies. I honestly couldn't see injecting 5IUs of Nova Nordisk then heading to LabCorp for a blood draw and getting the 55.4 ng/mL results....maybe.....I don't recall seeing blood results like this (55.4 ng/mL) posted here from only 5IUs (LabCorp)
I've personally injected 10-15ius and got GH Serum results ranging from 8-30 ng/mL with legit GH. Some of the controlled studies suppress endo-GH, maybe the GH was admin. through IV in the study you posted
That was after 1 injection. There was nothing given to suppress natural HGH production. Blood samples were collected at 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,9,12 and 24hr mark. GH was not admin. through IV.
I do see what you mean
My 9.0 ng/mL was from approx 2 hrs after 6iu SubQ inject
But, with the Geno/Omnitrope test, the GH Serum wasn't used in the conclusion for Bioequivalence (IGF1, IGFBP3, N)
55.4 ng/mL seems high for 5ius SubQ (looks like it was the highest result out of all the test subjects)
There's a wide variation when it comes to GH Serum according to these graphs. Similar to GFits results on his thread that you posted.
It was actually the average of all 15 test subjects who were 20-27 yrs old. They scored from 38-82 ng/ml from 1 injection.
Gotcha. The Omni/Geno did the same (average of 30+ subjects)
The Omni/Geno test was the controlled study I mentioned (fasting, suppressed endo-gh, etc)
I honestly haven't seen blood results like both graphs show posted here on eroids. Not exact anyway. Not sure if anyone has done a 5iu using a "Pharma" product.
I see what you're saying. What I'm doing with the IGF1 (elevating it in 24-48 hrs) is based on the Geno/Omni study. I had no idea IGF1 would elevate like that until I read that study (Treadintren (MOD) also mentioned it to me)
Maybe I'll do a 5IU SubQ (Pharma)
I think the Pharma GH Serums posted (10iu IM 3.5 Hrs) here seemed to average lower than the "generics" . Maybe I'm mistaken or maybe some testing posted is not always honest. The GH Serums just seem to be "all over the place" compared to IGF1 from what I can see. (Both Generic and Pharma)
https://www.eroids.com/pics/humatrope-hgh-serum-and-igf
This is the closest one I've seen posted.
Thanks S.
That was with 10iu IM
What MegaT posted is 5ius SubQ (30-80)
I think it has to do with our testing method VS a clinical study (controlled testing)
But that's MegaT's expertise....I'm just guessin
I'll be posting another IGF1/GH Serum (Ang) on Monday...at this point the sides are un-frikkn-bearable!
bigwillyYea dog I couldn't stay on over 6 iu for long, my dam hands wer to swollen and feet as well.