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Hey guys, after a 12 week cycle and 2 weeks of PCT including hcg, clomid and nolva I am showing the following bloods. I stopped my pct 1/6/2018.

Dragon Pharma gear from Pharmacystore.cc. I was doing some anavar early in the cycle at 100mg/day but it hurt my appetite too much and made me almost nauseous so I cut it out.

I'm going to discuss with my doctor his opinion of these but wanted to see what the internet things and compare. I'm trying to more responsibly take my hormones!

Any comments or feedback are appreciated!

Update: 6/29/2018
Just posted some new bloods from second PCT... looks a little better now. The 5k hcg must not be enough, extra 5k hcg helped and so did extra time. Did pump clomid and nolva as recommended (though I did this the first time too). Lipids were tested by my PCP and were in good range for my annual checkup.

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I'm back on clomid 100mg/ed, 40mg nolva /ed and 500iu hcg eod for a week or so now. I'll post more bloods in some weeks. Visiting new doc April 7th so we'll see what he says too.

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HEViX's picture

Bloods are coming in a week from doc

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Makwa's picture

Looks like your PCT was a bust. Pretty much what I would expect since you only ran it for 2 wks. Better do a proper PCT asap and see if you can recover. Longer you are shutdown the harder it is going to be to bounce back.

HEViX's picture

Thanks for feedback... seems to have gone back a little

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Taten's picture

If you take HCG you are not letting your entire endocrine system recover. HCG mimics LH, if the body detects LH it sends a negative feeback to the pituitary gland and will stop the body from producing its own Gnrh naturally. HCG is commonly used to "kickstart" the body's production.

HCG during your PCT can also be very counter intuitive because it increases estrogen. (Our body converts testosterone into estrogen, So if the body sees estrogen is high, it will lower testosterone, because it thinks that you have high estrogen)

AFTERWARDS, I would run clomid so that you can let your whole body recover. Clomid does not mimic any hormone in the body. Instead it helps send negative feedback by blocking receptors in your pituitary gland. It tells the body that there is no estrogen.

I know I explained this terribly so I am just going to leave two diagrams and let you look at them.
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/toxchick/images/G/gonadotropinControl.gif
http://www.maledoc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/LH-testosterone.png

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I would only add that my endocrinologist does not agree with you,at least as far as restoring fertility.The effect of HCG on estro is minimal if you stay at 500 iu eod or below.That being said,coming off cycle,and restoring fertility after six years of blasting and cruising are two different things.

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I agree with your endo. HCG is extremely beneficial, I would run it no matter what, but I was just saying I would personally prefer starting HCG at the end of my cycle not after. Estro is also always controllable with an ai. But my other point is that HCG is still an exogenous hormone and will still inhibit production of Gnrh.

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Yes of course but after six years of blasting and cruising GnRH is nill.I would actually agree with the fact that you should start you HCG the week of your last shot,providing you don't do it during your whole cycle.I however believe that you should start pct the next week.Though you will still have increased levels of test,the SERMS also cause a release of LH and FSH.So you actually start recovering faster.
I wasn't arguing best pct for somebody cycling only that HCG and clomid can be used together.Tamoxiphene as well.

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yes sir.point taken

Taten's picture

ur not supposed to run clomid when u take hcg.

Manshit's picture

Don’t tell my fertility Doctor that.I was on both for several months.Finally have sperm after ten years of blasting and cruising.

HEViX's picture

Thank you for this site!

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House's picture

Can you school me a little on this? So his test should be up above the lowest number for the normal range on a good pct? Why would his ldl still be off if hes off cycle?

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fusebox's picture

There is a good reason that unless you're competing there is no need for tren. Diet and a solid test e provi cycle can achieve anything most gymrats need. Booom

House's picture

I havnt ran tren for a long time. I cant stand the side affects. Huge boils. Sweaty bed. Bad attitude. I like to enjoy the cycle and breath when i work out and not feel run down all the time.

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HEViX's picture

Definitely a good question, appreciate the feedback.

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HEViX's picture

Thanks everyone I took the clomid a little longer Hut definitely only did 5000iu of ICG over 2 weeks. I have more pct stockpiled though. Unless you blood test you don't know I guess. Still learning with all the bro science out there it can be difficult to digest

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Manshit's picture

You’re on the right track bro.In this game a great endocrinologist is a great friend to have.

RangerVet's picture

Points to ponder
1. Take Clomid daily for a month
2. Use more hcg. Read
3. Your pct was a utter disaster
4. Slap yourself
5. See 1

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Lmao.. ranger... good stuff

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Manshit's picture

Two week pct certainly not enough for 400 tren.I had to do hcg for a month and then clomid for another after a similar cycle.Although sometimes with tren all the pct in the world won’t bring you back.He got one thing right.Going to his doctor!

RangerVet's picture

Your pct failed. Restart Clomid. Use hcg again and retest in a month.

HEViX's picture

Thank you!

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RangerVet's picture

Welcome anytime +1