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Typical fighter cycles?
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What do they look like? I assume mostly short esters and orals, no test base.
But doesn't estro crash?
The example cycle that Nitti posted, tren and halo sounds like it would harshly shut down your HPTA, so is there PCT afterwards?
Any basic rules of thumb to follow?
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Ohh and another big factor is testing. Are you a pro? Do you get tested by the local athletic commission. Are you subject to WADA? Lots of factors
For my sake, no, not a pro. And likely won't be tested.
The highest I would compete would be PanAms, and I don't believe they actively test. But I am not 100% sure and would like to be "clean" at the time of the competition.
Mostly l am looking for something that would allow me to greatly increase my training frequency / intensity in the lead up to the event. I can take up to 10lb increase in size, but no more.
I promise I didn't forget you bro. Been busy as fuck. I will give you some ideas but for now an idea of what I did.
Since I am an extreme ectomorph and my caloric intake was just enough go maintain weight and strength without gaining , it was easy for me to use test. I wouldn't always use it but when I did I'd run like this. You can add test to any run IF you aren't an endomorph. Keep the doses mild to moderate and always shorter esters. You want to keep the link do and overall sense of welbeing or swag in tact. Things like cheques or halo can kill that for you. Even nandrolone or tren can be ugly to be on solo. So if you can handle test , then run it.
1). 1-8 test prop 50mg Ed
5-8 Halo 20-30mg Ed
2). EQ was a favorite. It has the potential to make you crave carbs however so be careful. But with no fear of testing run EQ at about 600mg ew for 16 weeks. If you are not like me and do pack on weight easily, no test unless you are jumpin class. If u use test, use prop. The pinning sucks but you can turn off any unwanted sides like weight gain quickly.
3). Oral only cycles. Anavar , winny, can be run 6 weeks straight through. No test base unless again you burn so many cals that you're not going to eat enough to gain weight.
4). For intensity and strength only. Halotestin! Cheque drops! Both highly toxic and you will need a more aggressive liver support than usual. Never more than 2 weeks at a time and never more than 30mg/day on the halo. Cheques I'd say 200mcg (I think they measure it that way if I'm remembering correctly).
Bottom line here is you can run anything if you know how your body responds to it. Bodybuilders don't get big from using gear. They get big by eating big and being very inactive other than lifting. I had a pro tell me if he could he would drive Around on a hover round scooter all day so he didn't burn cals walking and blend his food so be didn't have to chew. Walking burns cals. Chewing does too. Lol. So it comes down to you and knowing your body and your limits. You could run a bodybuilder cycle and harden up nicely with minimal weight gain but a ton of strength. One thing to watch closely is stamina and changes in it. Tren is a great compound for strength. But some ppl can't breathe on it. No matter what you use, you should take note of every little thing you do on each compound.
Sleep pattern changes, diet changes including appetite change ,stamina, strength, mood, size or weight gain, adjust AI if any, anti prolactin of any. You get the point. Know your body and what it does and doesn't like. Give me an idea of the goals and I'll see what we come up with.
Nitti, not my area of expertise at all but do you have any experience running EPO...would it bring enhanced recovery without the hunger side effects of eq?
No worries man, I totally understand being busy as fuck.
I currently fight at the 90kg / 205lb weight classes (depending on sport), and my strength is fine for those weight classes. That being said, I'm a little fat for those classes and would like bring my BF down to single digits, and I expect that would bring me within cutting distance of the 81kg / 185lb classes.
I am a typical endomorph, so I have to constantly monitor my carb intake to make sure I don't gain. I'm generally steady around 205 - 215. I haven't been outside that range in years, except the trip to Japan (below) where I got down to 195.
But I really want better recovery. If I work out more than three times per week (boxing / judo / bjj), I am fucking wasted all week long.
A few years ago, preparing for a Judo trip to Japan, I spent three months training 6 days a week, 1.5 - 2 hrs per day, and it was a living hell. I even went to my doc at the time to get my test levels checked and he told me they were fine. I recently found those old test results and it turns out I was at 440 at the time, which, given my age of 32 at the time, is on the low end, and helps explain why that was so grueling.
But yeah, I am just looking at enhanced recovery more than anything, so I can up my training.
PS, I get what you mean by learning your body and understanding how it responds. I've only used test so far, and initially in two short prop cycles, and learned I am really prone to estro side effects. Weight gain (fat) and water bloat like a motherfucker. I'm trying the recommended "beginner" cycle right now, 10 weeks of test cyp. But I'm on top of my bloods and will keep the estro under control.
Sounds like I have a lot of personal experimentation and learning to do, though. More than I realized.
PanAms don't. Or at least they didn't a couple of years ago
Ah, good to know!
Although I would still like to be clean when I compete. Ethically I don't mind using when I train, but I would feel bad competing while on cycle.
Maybe I'm kidding myself, I don't know.
If it's during a typical training camp pre fight 6-8 weeks) you will be hitting short esters and orals. Test isn't completely left out all the time. Depends on the kind of body you have (ecto ,endo, meso) and how you respond to aas. I know that if I eat like a normal human being and train for a fight while using aas ,I won't gain a pound of weight. Just may incrsSe strength and intensity along with endurance. The body needs a surplus of calories to grow. If you know your limits and can get your body down to a science, you can use any compounds you want. I don't have a lot of time now but I can get into some cycles I've run soon.
It all depends bro.