Endurance athletes, TRT guys and anyone who isn't a bodybuilder!
You guys are a rare breed. The minority for sure. But your voice can still be heard amongst the "eat a lot and train natty for 5 years" comments. The bodybuilders think your'e idiots. It's ok, they don't (most of them) have an understanding of what you do and why. Don't sweat it. There are plenty of you around to share knowledge and experiences. I'm a former fighter and have almost a decade of aas use under my belt. I've done the things that would get me flamed in the forums here if I weren't Nitti the terrible. :-)
So this group is yours. Speak up! Share and learn. Anyone feel free to post here or hit me up of you need help. Most of my cycles consisted of short ester blasts (2-4 weeks at a time) and orals when I was an active athlete. I know what worked for me and may help you. When I stopped boxing I had a natty test level of 900+ at age 30. So you all can safely use harsh compounds without test (weight gaining monster). Have fun! I'll be peeking in.
And take a peek at this. You guys don't have to be timid here. I got your back.
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Posted this a few months back... decided on just going test Cyp 250 2x a week... typical results but really need the endurance kick and more strength...
Took the last month or so to dial in my diet and daily routine... Coming off multiple injuries/surgeries last year... Posted elsewhere the details... Was on TRT pre Oct. surgery, endo told me to stop test for 6 weeks and kick back in when starting PT (TOTAL BS) seeing new dr. now... Here's what I have in mind... I race OCR and 50+mile trail/adventure races...
12 weeks
Test cyp 250 Wk 1-12 1.5ml mon/thur
Bold 200 Wk 1-12 1ml wed/sat
Oxandralone Wk 3-12 40mg b4 wo
Anastrozole Day 1- We 12+10 days .5mg daily (wondering if I should up to 1mg starting do 10?)
I need strength and endurance back badly, size and weight are fine as long as I stay around 185-190 ( old race weight was 165-175)... All comments or suggestions are appreciated... First 3 compound cycle, test works well and bold has before as well, 1st try of ox... 7Th cycle but previous were all test based with deca,dbol and whinny... Thanks!
RustyhookerPost current bloods.
On trt right now?
What type of race planned?
Current stats? Pix? Medical issues?
7 cycles?
Was also given this advice in a previous post...
Drop the UG AAS completely (focus on recovery and your actual goals not the magic pill/shortcut)
You want endurance/strength for CR and 50+mile trail/adventure races??? Then....focus on really diving into Keto/Fat adaption (you wont be fat adapted yet). Watch this movie: http://www.runonfatmovie.com/
Seeing endo next Thursday, will have bloods then, yes on TRT (test prop 200 1ml 1x/wk), also semorline/ghrp... Races planned are standard TM, WTM, Spartan ultra beast, a local 50/100+mile trail/enduro/obstacle runs, and lots of fun 5-15k ocr "fun runs"... 5'8" 195lbs 15-18%bf ( previously asked in different post for help and read about keeping bf for longer races, not sure where I should aim for if that's the case, old race stats were 5'8" 165-175lbs 9%bf)... No karma for pics, or I'm fn something up... Hard wear in left ankle, and then still trying to fully rehab right shoulder, feeling weak from grip strength to Bi's/tris, Delta, traps shoulders and chest, back/core/legs feel and seem strong,still need work... I have done 6 total cycles since 27yrs old, first 3 just test 12wks cyp 250 2x...16wks cyp 250 1.5ml 2x and 16wks cyp 250/prop 100 1ml 2x, next was test cyp 250/deca 300 1ml 2x 16wks, cyp/win 16 wks, then cyp/deca 16 wks w/dbol started at week 4... I think that's all correct... Last cycle 2 1/2years ago, running just the trt since... 36years old currently... Tell me if that doesn't make sense, cause typing it all just now I'm sure messed up something... Thanks in advance rusty!
Nitti advice
RustyhookerLong ago ran two oral following duchains ideals. Back then everything was pharma so low doses worked awesome. Ran a pyramid starting with dbol and finished with winny. Added 8 lbs and kept it. Doses were super light but pharma was PURE.
DBOL
5mg pwo week 1
10mg pwo week 2
15mg split 5pwo...5 4hrs later and last 5 4hrs after that with 25grams whey.
Winny 30mg split 3 times..4hrs like above
20mg....split
10mg...pwo.
6 weeks. Low dosed. Be safe on liver control. Ran high carbs. Cardio an h o ur post workout.
Nitti was sex drive ever an issue when you ran these 2-4 week blasts?
Never. But you have to take into account that I was young and discouraged from having sex for a month prefight. So in the midst of the cycle blast, I was sexually deprived which may have spiked my libido.
I was recently told I need to get under 9% bodyfat before touching gear. That's some funny shit considering lots of IFBB pros are way over 9% in the offseason.
So glad you are here my brother! Truly the Godfather of all fighters here on Eroids. For you all here I felt most comfortable with Nitti when it came to my cycles do to being in the military and a fighter. Because like him I was not running the orthodox routines.
We truly need alternative cycles by those who have proven them to work! Nitti is the pioneer of them for the non bodybuilder!
Nitty the great you are the man! I fight mma @ 155. This is my first real cycle and I'm at 184 using test e and tbol. This is really putting me in a bad spot to cut back down in time. So with that being said I am now thinking of moving up to 170 but have the fear that guys will be cutting more that 15lbs and I'll be giving up a lot of strength. I have good strength at 155 and I rely on that more than not to win my battles. What would you recommend I use for my next cycle? My goal is to harden the fuck up, build strength and keep my endurance.
I walk around typically over 200lbs when I train for a fight at 170 I walk around 180-190 the month before I cut to within 10 pounds of weigh in weight. I've been getting pushed to cut to 155 lately. Coming up is hard enough yet fighting out of a weight your comfortable at. Stay at 155 if possible. I was recently offered a fight at 205 and said no. The height difference from 155 to 170 can be a challenge most 170 guys are around 6 feet and most 205 guys weight and height makes it even harder. Keep the potential height difference in mind with a division change if you aren't tall. I'm 5'9"ish
Good advise, and thank you man! I am pretty short, bout 5'8, I would definatly be giving up wieght plus reach. I'm gonna take that advise since realistically I feel I only have a few good years left in me, be a lil dumb to step up and get my ass handed to me before I'm done. Thanks again homie!
How much time do you have to cycle? What's the window of cleaning out? And you're right, don't bank on the fact that these guys won't be dehydrating 20lbs before a fight. I walked around and 175lbs and fought at 160 (middleweight). By the end of my rope, I skipped over a weight class and fought at light heavy (175lbs) which was my normal weight. Guess what I ran into? Guys who were 20-25lbs bigger than me on fight night. Not fun to find out by getting hit by a heavyweight.
Keep Winny, Anavar, Halo, and short ester oils in mind. Intensity and aggression, Halo wins the prize. Only because you'd be hard pressed to find real cheque drops. A lot of things to take into account with this stuff. It's dangerous. Bold ace, mast p, tren a are going to be the compounds to eye up along with test prop if you want to use test again.
Since I'm starting to get a little older I only fight twice a year now and I try to spread them 5-7 months apart depending recovery time from the previous fight. I'm doin a 14 week cycle now, it's going well but i would rather do shorter cycles so I can do more 1 or 2 more a year. And brother I hear ya about fighting someone 20-25lbs bigger, fought a guy last year that cut to 155 from 185, he rocked me for 3 min in first round before I decided to grapple the rest of the fight. Needless to say I got whooped and ol boy gave me pumpkin head!
Fuck those long runs bro. You'll gain too much weight unless you do a low dose test prop with higher tren. Even a primo acetate. But tren is possibly going to effect endurance. Not definite. But all things have to be considered. When I get a chance I'll sit my ass down and draw up something for you. Stay away from long esters bro.
Sounds good homie really appreciate it!
Ill let some other fighters chime in/elaborate but right of the top I would be thinking something like eq ace for short blast, will harden and help with endurance due to increase of rbcs...strength/aggression/intensity I would be leaning towards halo/cheque drops. You can also look into EPO...a lo of endurance athletes use it for increases rbcs...ridiculous amount of o2 increase To the muscles
That sound pretty good my man, I appreciate it! I didn't mention b4 but aggression and intensity are both really important to keep and this EPO looks real nice! Thank you homie!
Absolutely, any time! Other fighters will be able to get your doses straight for your application...I'm a bb so I wouldn't be able to help there
Hey man even tho u can't help with doses I appreciate it and am glad to see that even body builders are interest in this thread and what we go though!
i have great respect for fighters...tougher than the bb lifestyle. its one thing to cut weight but a whole different thing to be able to be on top of your game physically speaking
AnonThank you homeboy for this. I hope anyone who is in competitive forms of fighting be it boxing or mma pick your brain. They'd learn a lot.
The best part about your story is that you mentioned that after all of your unorthodox AAS use you still had a Natty of 900! Sort of goes against everything we learned. I'm a firm believer that each case is unique to the individual. Each cycle, each pct. Each case has its own story and what happens to be the case for me isn't the same for you. And vice versa. Hopefully folks have the courage to post up in here and take advantage of your expertise.
I'd love to see one of your typical cycles and here the thought process you had while forming the layout as well as the results. What was the focus and what was the purpose. I saw you mention before about the stuff u ran and I'm fucking intrigued brudda. Not so much because I want to run anything that way but it is a whole different lifestyle. Plus I can listen to u talk training and boxing all fucking day long
Depending on the sport and on the amount it time they had if give different advice up everyone. But for me, what was typical was short ester blasts. But not always. I used test before and I actually ballooned up 25lbs in the first 30 days. I couldn't believe it. The most common things in my gym were orals. Everything from winny tabs to cheque drops. That's as far as aas goes. There were other drugs as well. But I'll give a quick example and post up some cycles for them soon. 6 weeks pre-fight. Bold acetate (which wasn't available back then so how lucky you guys are) 50mg Ed is plenty for what they need it to do. Masteron prop. Or even tren a. The fucked up thing about the tren was we never knew how we were going to respond in the endurance dept. Granted we were very conditioned athletes so when if we were slowed down a little, our training helped us get over that and transition seemlessly. Not everyone was crippled in the cardio dept tho. Some of the guys liked it so much because the strength made up for the lack of endurance. Some one who was a big puncher (your boy) and not the greatest boxer would benefit greatly. The controlled aggression given by halotestin was incredible. That was the only one that we were told to be cautious with. Never more than 2 weeks at a time and never more than 30mg/day. So anyway a typical cycle would look like this
1-4 tren a 50mg Ed
2-4 halotestin 20mg Ed
The things I'm not sure of is battling prolactin with things like caber. Caber makes me extremely tired even in low doses. Obviously endurance athletes can't have that happen. So since it's different for each of us, they should try low dose of caber to combat the tren sides.
Albuterol was used often and it actually increased blood oxygen levels and opened up the air ways. It worked great actually. I never gave clenbuterol a fair shot. I quit after 3 days because it made me feel weak. I have to try again since I want keeping my potassium up and wasn't keeping up with hydration as I should have. I couldn't lift on it. But it had a very similar effect on my airway as albuterol.
This one is a newt little trick was to use baking soda (ingested usually in lemon water) to keep acidosis down (build up of Lactic acid in the blood causing muscle fatigue and failure). This would work for bodybuilders as well. More importantly as you should already know in reference to this is keep your diet clean. Fighters have to carb load often for energy and cals to burn. As well as take in large qualities of protein to maintain strength. But the fruits and veggies are great for keeping natty acid levels down. Lactic acid is what ends most fights. Your body will give out before your heart if you're a fighter or endurance athlete. Another thing is stay very well hydrated. The way your body balances your pH is using the liver and kidneys to filter out acid. Staying hydrated not only makes you feel more energetic but it flushes that nasty acid that causes Muscles to fail. Stay away from fast food. A shitty diet may be good for a dirty bulking body builder but not for you. I could go on and on all day. Unfortunate I have work to do. Feel free to hit me up with questions here or in private but u encourage you to post here
Man, this is a whole new side to eroids, and it's really awesome that you are sharing this info.
Personally, I tried 30mg of dbol before working out the other day and man I felt incredible. I had great endurance, focus and strength.
I can only imagine halo as being like that times 10!
Did you ever bother to PCT after a short cycle like this?
Nice read and tips. I'll admit I've become more and more interested in the bodybuilding aspects of training just because of this site. For the time being, I do want to minimize mass gains due to my activities, but would like as much strength as possible w/o impacting cardio performance or possibly improving it. I've experimented/used some of these compounds/drugs but haven't seen a cycle laid out just for strength or endurance. It will be interesting to see more unorthodox cycles or what's worked for others.
Well now that I am no longer competing and I am not really considering myself a bodybuilder , I run cycles that take a little from both schools of thought. I'm sure you've seen one of my cycles before. I'll use a long ester test in a low dose and short eater change ups every few weeks. From mast p, bold a, npp and tren a. 3 weeks on one compound jump to another. If you are in a nandrolone period , add test prop to compensate. It has worked wonders for me.
Damn good stuff right here. Was looking for real life experience info. You mentioned you used albuterol...how long did u use it for? Was there a big difference from when on it vs not on it. Lets say one fighter is on it and the other fighter is not on it. Does the fighter on albuterol have a large advantage?
Huge difference bro. Yes, if one fighter is in he ring and between rounds he's downing water wit albuterol In it,he's going to be just as fresh as when he stepped in round 1. The other guy is Gona have a problem. I didn't cycle this stuff. I used it in a state tourny tho. I felt real bad after too alright. Lol. But I used it only during heavy hard sparring sessions. Do you know what it's like to Gas out and have a guy in front of you that is trying to hurt you? There is two kinds of fatigue in the fight game. Wind fatigue and muscle. Both suck but wind is much worse. You can't breathe you ain't fightin. But it works great. It's banned for that reason. Baking soda another amazing thing. But there was everything from phentermine to adderall being used during training. I never doing pro so I didn't have much concern about getting caught but I still never risked it. I would stop weeks prior and adapt to normal speed and strength. Lots of guys roll the dice and soooo many guys use shit it's ridiculous.
I've been using clen to help give me more gas during my heavy sparring sessions, but you have me dying to give albuterol a try. I don't really like clen- saps my energy and leaves me feeling weak a times. I'm planning a 10-12 week burst (thinking tren and 1-test or bold) to prep for a Thai fight coming up. I need to strictly hold weight- 5lb gain max. I'm fighting MMA middleweight (185) and want to dehydrate from 192-195. I have some questions about halo and other aggression and strength oriented compounds if you ever get a few spare moments
AnonBrother would you be willing to create a thread devoted to your questions? We are hoping to grow this group and fill it with threads devoted to topics exactly like what you are asking. It would definitely make a damn good topic!!! POR favor Compa:)
I would be more than happy to. Thanks Danger
I feel like I just discovered a new Eroids
Its crazy how people are bipolar and realize it. One on hand they frown upon ped usage but the other hand they want to be entertained by high level sports whether it be boxing, football, mma, etc. People want to have their cake and eat it too.
I can only imagine what its like to be gased out in a fight. I can see how any advantage will be sought in that situation.
Sounds like i might give albuterol a shot.
Being gassed is a very strange experience. It's like being dead on your feet.
Well Im not a fighter besides back in the day street brawls but this is a very interesting/informative read. Keep this "out of the box" type info coming. Hope some mma/boxers show up in here and read. How would your typical gym goer use baking soda to benefit from the la buildup? timing/amount?