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Albuterol, Clenbuterol, and other broncho-dilators (Questions, not answers)

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Muscle fatigue isn't my main issue- wind fatigue is. It's a killer. When you can't take normal breaths, it seems impossible to keep a respectable pace. My question has to do with medications that help prevent wind gassing. I've begun a cycle for the purpose of increasing strength and explosiveness. I want a higher power-to-weight ratio. I don't want 15lbs of muscle. So tren seemed like a great option. It definitely has made it difficult to push through those last few minutes though. A small amount of clen before the session has helped alleviate that somewhat, but I don't like the side effects that comes with it (shaky, saps energy, leaves me feeling slightly weaker, etc.). I'm interested in ideas for alternatives. Albuterol seems to be getting some buzz- does anyone have experience with albuterol. I'm MUCH more interested in the anti-asthmatic properties than the fat burning properties. Also, any tren alternatives for strength and aggression are greatly appreciated. Thanks all- I appreciate everything you contribute

thingschangesbeyond50's picture

I combined Clen with Ephi back in the days, and it worked for me; shakyness is something which someone can get used to. Did you try using an inhaler while workout? it widens the airways only when needed.

mwagner630's picture

while on tren which is the worse thing i have ever been on to cause this for me, i ran singulair daily at 20MG and never had an issue with tren cough or breathing. although the tren did kill my endurance i still did breathe fine. also there is some good evidence to support anavar as a cardio support compound and ill try to find it, a study from europe somewhere where it was used to treat mild sports related asthma.

greeeen13's picture

I would definitely be interested in anavar's effects on endurance. I like the idea of avoiding clen/albuterol long term. Isn't singulair an anti-allergen?

kodiakGRRL's picture

singular is prescribed to people with asthma

mwagner630's picture

it also is prescribed as an anti allergen. although i dont know why. i think for those who suffer from pollen related inflamation

kodiakGRRL's picture

I think like many things it is used as a catch all ..

greeeen13's picture

Thanks for correcting me. I have decided to give up on the idea of adding extra drugs to combat side effects. I think it's best to replace tren with bold ace, mast, halo, and other common replacements. I'm thinking a nice pre-fight cycle might look like:

Bold Ace 1-3
Halo 1-2
Mast P 4-6

That way any appetite from the Bold will have passed for the final weight cut.

kodiakGRRL's picture

you weren't incorrect about it being an anti allergen .. just that it is very commonly prescribed for asthma ... interesting cycle ..let us know what you end up doing and how it worked

kodiakGRRL's picture

You'd have to be careful using the albuterol as there are issues with dependancy carlos has it right with the mast .. all the good stuff but none of the sides..

greeeen13's picture

Thanks for the heads up- I like to avoid anything that may cause any kind of dependency. I am curious about infrequent use and dependency- maybe in the range of once every 7-10 days. I'll take a look into your mast too. I appreciate the help

kodiakGRRL's picture

if you are using it that infrequently you definitely lesson the risk of dependency however that does not alleviate the risk .. honestly things like this are best left to people who need them to breathe ... you're increasing heart rate, pulse, and blood pressure using bronchiodialaters... I would def look into alternatives to tren if you need to breathe ..;-)

greeeen13's picture

Breath is definitely of the utmost importance. There's not really any way around that... Looks like mast and halo might be a solid alternative. Thank you!

Anonymous's picture

I can't really answer much in this thread accept a Tren alternative. Without question if u want something less impactful to your wind Masteron is perfect. Masteron makes me mean and it's perfect for not adding size/weight. It's going to dry you out while adding aggression which always is very noticeable to me. I've done both esters of mast. I liked both on its own but MastP was more intense in the aggression department!

greeeen13's picture

I'm very inexperienced with mast. You definitely have my attention though. The aggression and ability to shed water are definitely huge pros. How is it with strength gains and recovery? And thank you for the help

Anonymous's picture

Well it's a androgen. So all the typical alpha type benefits really show up for me anytime I've run Mast. Even without focusing on a higher volume program to lean the muscle out Mast on it's own just hardens everything up. I get the granite feel not the swole feeling like I get using a higher anabolic compound like nandrolone. You won't notice sttength gains like Deca or Tren but you'll have more of that tenacity during a tough set similar to how Tren makes me feel. It's similar but I'll be honest nothing is quite like Tren. Recovery wise I think it's a mid grade there. Nothing is like Tren recovery. Or for that matter a great combo I've run a lot is Deca Drol and the week just flys by bro. I never seem to get that overtrained feeling with those compounds. But I really think Mast is worth a shot bro for what you're looking for.

greeeen13's picture

Thanks, I really do appreciate it. I think I'm long to give mast a shot. I need AAS for the inhuman recovery, but it doesn't necessarily need to be at the tren level either. I'm going to do a little playing around with AAS in this next cycle. Halo might be a good add a few weeks out too... Anyways, thanks man