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Adding mass when on AAS

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What techniques/training styles do you use to add mass during a bulking cycle outside the idea of just adding more androgens into play? Would like to hear what others have to say in the matter!

wookiebarber's picture

Here's a crazy trick I've used to bulk up after dieting down. Do 8 sets of 8 dumbbell benches, always trying to up the weight, no failure. Then do 10 - 20 sets of five snatch grip deadlifts on a podium (100lb plate). Do this THREE TIMES A WEEK <- sounds fucked up but bear with me 10 sets on MON, 20 sets on WED and 15 sets on FRI. Shiz will fluff you up. Then chase the whole workout with 10 - 12 raw eggs mixed with whey and olive oil. Only do this for one three week wave - then switch to something else. Seems like probably the opposite of what people tell you you should do: say "fuck you" to the dogma and add some slabs!

BigE89's picture

if anyone is interested in following the results of grouwth cycle through myostatin depletion check out my forum updated daily, should really be something interesting; running AAS & Folli/Myostatin HMP
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/test-follistatin-myostatin-hgh-cycle
Thanks yall

manlytt's picture

When I was trying to break ground on mass, I was drinking vitargo before during and after my workouts. I think juice or waxy maize are good aswell. I would mix the vitargo with protein for post workout. Then I would make sure I ate some meat or hard boiled eggs when I would get home. My workouts are now at the end of my workdays so I just drink protein and eat meats when I get home from workout. I also found that for me three days of training was better than five or six.

BigE89's picture

i agree with you my man, sometimes i notice that when i take a break for a certain amount of time i come back not only stronger but bigger, allowing the muscle to recover correctly is the core of reaching any goal killing it day after day is not always the answer unless your AAS & food intake is rediculous and even then the the catabolism can outweight the anabolism of growth by a certain degree. As far as drinking anything what i take is creatine i believe ATP replenishment is a MUST for any bodybuilder or anyone looking for mass gains, aside from this i drink non concentrate Grapefruit juice to reduce CYP3A4 enzym in the gut making orals more effective to a certain degree, even creatine. But protein shakes are just as important if your food your eating habits just cant keep up with the required consumption IMO.

killinit88's picture

The biggest thing for me is mixing things up.... too many guys do the same shit day in and day out.... I change my routine with weights every three weeks, i never do the same thing for cardio more then 1 wk..... Food? Well i am still fucking with that, trying to figure out my body still....

BigE89's picture

i agree, i change my workout style for that muscle group hitting it in different ways ie machines Vs traditional free weight, but i cant afford to ignore it for too long due to a platue although with myostatin & AAS i doubt this should happen

mechtech's picture

I can't tell if your head is tiny or your body is huge by your pics, lol. Nice work.

BigE89's picture

lol nice one but thanks! working hard to get somewhere hopefully

BigE89's picture

have you guys heard of the workouts by professional trainer hany rambod where you do 7s? supposedly thats how jay cutler made his comeback and how phil heath won second then first

DBG's picture

Yeah...FST-7 by Hany Rambod. I have incorporated it here and there....it can be pretty difficult if done right.

BigE89's picture

i have incorporated this for a while and i have noticed a big difference but i add a twist to it, lets say i do cable push downs for triceps ill start by doing 10 to 20 reps with complete muscle control which is the pure emphasis of bodybuilding i never tug or yank as i am not a powerlifter, anyway once i reach the predetermined reps i will bend my body down forward and let my arms extend back behind me still gripping the bar stretching the muscle further increasing fascia expandability, since the whole FST7 concept is to stretch the fascia tissue this adds to it, and then of course i repeat this 5 to 7 times it does get very exahausting by the end but once the muscle rebuilds; it makes sense that fibers become thicker. I moderate the weight but never the break time i strictly break for 30seconds between sets.

DBG's picture

Sounds like you are doing it to a T, my man. I am in between a set routine right now, trying some new moves out...and trying to figure what and where to incorporate...I was thinking of doing something like an FST7 on straight arm pushdowns at the end of my back width routine. Right now, I have a back thickness and a back width routine...something different. I am doing back width with some arm exercises and then back thickness on my chest day(I feel a lagging body part could be split like this, esp back!!)

BigE89's picture

generally i like to incorporate back with deltoids, because its a type of workout you can "phase into" let me give you an example, i generally start with lateral raises for mid deltoid head and stiff arm frontal plate lift (45lbs) for front deltoid detail, after exhausting using fst 7 specially on the medial deltoid head ill then go to bent over row with dunbell now instead of doing fst7 here i do a 3 superset mixing 3 workout with this at once one after another with no breaks, this is stiff arm bench bar raises (sitting down isolating frontal deltoid) then ill do rotary cuff isolation with a 10lb plate followed by a set of bent over dunbell rows at this point i am isolating all 3 deltoid heads in a superset, reason why i did fst 7 as a first set on the medial head is because i want to express and mass up the medial head. afterwards ill hit the lat pull down in FST 7 style with a hold half way down after so many reps, after this ill hit the row machine OR bent over rowing with bench bar, but never both, afterwards i do what you do stiff arm bar pull downs for further back mass and width.. this is an example of a shoulder and back day for me among some other detail lifts afterwards, but what i wanted to point out is how i "work my way" into a muscle group instead of doing a completely different muscle group lets say bicep and back.

DBG's picture

damn man...that sounds great. I am gonna keep this all in mind. See, my diet is great...or well I know how it should be(lately it's been a lil' rough...work and all), BUT training routines and ideas is where I run short. SO this is very much appreciated!!

BigE89's picture

hey no prob, if you ever need any advice just pm me im glad to share what ive learned over my time doing this.

youngtricep98's picture

Train less.i rested 1-2 days in between workouts. drove me nuts cause i thought i was hurting myself. but i added some serious poundage

BigE89's picture

because i am on a complex type of cycle to cut down catabolism to nearly nothing i dont fear over training instead i train every muscle group to the point of fatigue and failure, i do train lagging muscle groups twice weekly i go in with insane intensity

DBG's picture

See...I like this, I feel the same way. The solution isn't always to train MORE and HARDER, but maybe LESS and also more INTENSE. Off-cyle I do 3 workouts/wk. and I do weights for at tops an hour and then hit the elliptical for 20min. On-cycle I usually bump my days to 4 and split things up a lil' more, but sessions I do around 30-45min, and possibly not as much cardio.

Some dumbasses around my way...get on gear and think they can run 2-a-days five days/wk. for 12 weeks and be in the gym for 2 hours at a clip or something like that. Come off cycle with no real gains in all honesty with joint problems to boot. So, yes, I believe it is completely possible to overtrain on gear. Just because you might recover faster doesn't mean you can just hit the gym day-in/day-out without suffering some kind of repercussions sooner or later.

BigE89's picture

bro two a days is completely pointless if you train hard enough in one session, i hear bodybuilders do like to do this because we all sort of suffer from a loss of interest aftering being in the gym for so long giving that last muscle group less attention, so some will leave then come in later but overall the intensity will be cut so not to get drained in one session, i only see this feasable if your at an elite level and do this for a living, otherwise its a waste of time and energy.

DBG's picture

agreed, complete waste of time(unless you are part of that less than 1% elite level competitor)...besides with the short rest I take in between sets, I would start running out of exercises. I mean there is only so many different exercises you can do until you've completely exhausted all the most effective exercises for that muscle group, ya know? I am a big believer with going in like a fire-breathing dragon and causing a wake of destruction...just crush the weights and get out. Of course if I am doing more of a strength program I will slow it down a lil' bit, lol.

Cam2012's picture

Plus body builders do that shit because its their job. They don't have anything to do but workout and eat right. So it makes sense only for people who it's a career

BigE89's picture

right and anyways if you eat enough youll be anabolic, androgens alone wont achieve this macros are the core of building mass but a well balanced and sensible cycle is just as important, so to SuperDbad those people who train twice a day and see no results are either not resting well enough, not cycling intelligently, not eating well enough leading to overdoing it to the point of catabolism regardless of AAS use.

DBG's picture

those people who train twice a day and see no results are either not resting well enough, not cycling intelligently, not eating well enough leading to overdoing it to the point of catabolism regardless of AAS use.

ABSOLUTELY!! Very well said.

boots2asses12's picture

Its basically just FOOD FOOD FOOD bro. and cut cardio down a bit.

Cam2012's picture

You see how big this motherfucker is? I think he eats animals by the ton Smile

boots2asses12's picture

LMAO i didnt even go to his page! haha

BigE89's picture

i was born like this homie, i eat babys and sleep all day its the ultimate way to grow

boots2asses12's picture

hah beast mode! i just ordered my first baby off e bay just now, im phsyced bro

BigE89's picture

my babys are imported from africa at distributor rates LMAO

pcttim's picture

Laughing my ass off. Well played sir, well played.

Cam2012's picture

Bro where is my dog that you were suppose to house sit. You been avoiding my calls. You better not have eatin him!

BigE89's picture

youll find him in my Septic tank LMAO