posted Mon, 08/01/2016 - 02:40
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will i see good gains on 250 deca and 500 test e
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like the tittle says, will i see good gains on 250mg deca a week at 125mg twice a week and 500mg of teste at 250 twice a week? i have all my pct products... im only using clomid for pct because nolvadex can upregulate prolactin, im using clomid at 150 day 1 100,100,50,50, i am using aromasin on cycle and threw pct, i also have all my supplements for cycle and pct such as red yeast rice, sal palm metto, milk thistle, multivitamins and fish oil. I do have liquid prami on hand...I dont know if i should take hcg bc its a low dose of deca and not such a crazy amount of test, i did my last cycle only test and i recovered well with clomid and nolvadex... any comments or advice is surely welcomed... thanks guys
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A 19 nor for a second cycle. You haven't done much research for this cycle from what I can see below with how much you've been corrected. Your diet is wrong. Your use of certain pct meds is wrong. Liquid prami smfh. Other than prami being fucking shity but you sir have no need to worry as I'm pretty sure yours will not work, pretty positive actually an id it happens to slightly work dosages most likely will be all over the place , not something you will enjoy with prami (if it's even real). Deca will shut you down hard. Some guys have never recovered after a deca cycle, 30 years old, you ready to take the gamble on recovery? Ready to welcome trt if on the off chance you didn't and couldn't recover? You shouldn't be running deca , period. That's where I stand good luck.
So your telling me?? That becasue it's a 19nor I won't recover (maybe) dude so many people are on tren and that's a 19nor and people don't even know the long term use of this drug and your telling me there not recovering either???? My test cycle was with nolvadex and Clomid and my testes never shrunk, so just adding in 250 mg of deca won't be much of a difference when people are adding in 300-600 mg a week.... And I'm using hcg... Also 500 Mg's of test didn't give me bloat, high estrogen or any side effect except for being hot a lot in the beginning but that's it... So I'm not to worried about 250 mg of deca aweek
All I've seen in your posts here are replies where you're acting like you know better, or at least thinking that you do. Even if it was appropriate, the cycle is poorly set up and shows your lack of experience as do responses like the above, exactly why numerous people have told you not to run deca as a second cycle. That's the same lack of experience that may come back to bite you if it goes wrong. That's either arrogance or naivety.
If you aren't going to listen to advice, in future don't post up your cycles. Doesn't do you any good and wastes other people's time.
Just one shot of deca can shut you down. Everyone is different ive seen guys never recover after one cycle of deca and ive seen guys recover after many. It's a gamble and is absolutely genetic. Don't be ignorant. I could care less what you do to be totally honest. Your not everyone else, you're you. What worked for someone else might not work for you. Common sense.
Good to know you cycle improperly. You honestly think that because you ran 500 mgs of test and it didn't bloat you and your estrogen didn't go up that if you add deca nothing will change? Smfh let me know how that theory plays out. Your bloating with Deca will purely depend on day. Your estro rises and you don't combat it , your looking at gyno and prolactin elevation and maybe some lactating nips and im sure your liquid prami dosages being all over the place will set you up real nice for helland failure.
But what do I know lol. Wish you the best.
Instead of being all smart with the comeback you should realize we are trying to teach you something. That is why you posted up right?
Like I said... I have pharma aromasin for my e2 and I have the liquid prami, e2 will defiantly be controlled as for my progesterone receptor we'll have to see and I'll start a low does of 0.125 at night before bed and see where I end up... Thank you for your advice I sure let appreciate it however no one ever answered my original question of if I will see good gains on this particular cycle
As far as your original question, you need to understand that the gains you see are not solely dependent on the compounds and amounts you use. If your diet and training are not optimized, you are going to see very poor gains no matter what or how much you are pinning. So your question is kind of an open ended question...it is all up to you by ensuring that your diet and training are perfect. Adding more compounds and bumping up doses is not going to make up for that. It can actually derail your efforts by making recovery harder or causing a host of nasty side effects. More for most people is usually not better.
Your diet and training also need to be optimized during PCT and post cycle if you want to maintain any gains that you did get. It needs to be a lifestyle with your diet and training if you are considering using AAS. Slack at any point and time and you are right back where you started. Anyway, the bottom line is that what you get out of your cycle depends on what you put in your mouth and not what you pin in your butt.
will I see good gains with x & y compounds... because compounds are what dictate the end result... ugh.
Good luck.
Thanks man
Keep in mind that only 100mg of Deca (nandrolone) will shut you down completely for an entire month. This isn't so with tren.
That's insane if there both 19 nors
Yes they are both 19-nors, but they are different drugs entirely beyond that. Tren is a modified version of nandrolone. This little modification makes it an entirely different drug. Look at EQ and dbol. EQ was an attempt to make an injectable dbol. Add a double bond between the 1-2 carbon atoms on the dbol molecule and you have EQ. Very similar molecular identities but two completely different drugs. The same can be said for deca and tren, very similar molecular identities but two completely different drugs. Don't get me wrong, tren can be a bitch to recover from, but I would have to give the title to Deca in that regards.
GnarkillYou are one smart mother fucker I shall send a friend request
Oh ok I thought eq was a better alternative to deca
I Don't think you need to be playing with Deca for your 2nd cycle. If you can't make any gains from 500mg of test e at this stage of your cycling career, something is wrong with your diet/training. Deca isn't worth the shutdown or hassle of potential prolactin issues, especially for a second cycle. Good luck trying to recover from that cycle with only clomid.
Clomid and pharma aromasin
Well, Clomid and pharma aromasin
You can use nolvadex for pct after a 19nor cycle, all that crap about it causes prolactin issues is straight broscience. If you control estrogen you won't have any issues in the first place. Or look into toremefine instead of nolvadex but I think you need to research this cycle a bit more, and I agree deca for a second cycle is not the best move.
Ok bro thanks man I'll check that out
Diet and training is the key. You can pump grams of hormones and swallow thousands of pills and you still won't grow if you don't eat, train and rest like you should.
The doses are moderate and should give you excellent gains, but if it's only your second cycle I would hold off with nandrolones. It will shut you down pretty hard and cycles with this compound might be trickier as you have to worry about many more things. It sounds like you did your research so ultimately it is your call. My word of advice would be to go easy and not rush into harsher compounds
Thanks bro for your input, I definitely understand its all about diet and training and rest.... That's why I'm using a low dose of the deca and got my macros on check
bigmurphI see you are good sized and look like you workout regularly.
Why decca
What are your goals you're trying to achieve with this cycle.
250mgs of decca is right between just for joints and trying to build off of it unless it really fits your goals i would leave it out.
I didn't see an ai or a anti progesterone do you have both ready?
Yes I have Aromasin on hand and liquid prami on hand
bigmurphIm not a fan of using non pharma grade for something like that.
But the decca are you trying to grow with it or just joint relief
I have Clomid and aromasin straight from the pharmacy, but my liquid prami no it's a research chemical, figure I'll use it when if I see sides, I I'll use my aromasin 12.5 mg eod
Liquid prami isn't even sustainable in liquid form but good luck.
You sure you're not thinking of caber? I've had liquid prami before that was strong as hell
It will be at 1st, then after about 2 and a half weeks it will be bunk. Maybe the alcohol they used to suspend it made it strong? Who knows.
Perhaps, I don't remember how long I used it for cuz prami makes me sick as hell so I couldn't keep using it no matter how small the dose
Caber is the same. I haven't seen good prami either bro. Alot of those really don't stay suspended well. An when something doesn't stay suspended the dosages will very every time (shaking it and what not) taking pramis pretty common horrible side effects having dosages all over the place isn't going to be fun. Let alone it being a prolactin drug not a good idea. I personally stay away from all liquids. I mean the risks with ais, prolactin control drugs and sex drugs dosages all over the place isn't something I'm willing to fuck with. Crashed estrogen vs high estro, prolactin vs high prolactin, blood pressure issues with the ed drugs. It's not a good gig. Nothing accurate about liquid anything.
Even liquid orals. Many you have to shake the fuck out of to re suspend them. How accurate do you really think the dosage is? Not something I like to fuck around with. I'll stick to pharma grade ancillaries and the likes. Recovery drugs and the likes shouldn't be skimped on....but hey that's me.
I agree with what you're sayin, I haven't used a liquid oral in some time. I just remember no matter what type of prami I tried it always had bad sides for me. Pharma is the only way to go, some of us learn that the hard way I guess.
Liquid caber is good for about 14 days suspended in liquid. Prami lasts about a week longer. Going by that I would never trust a research company to send me any because it could already be over expiration. Tried the caber and prami once and sure as shit it was no good out of the boat. Trust in pharma AI or pct or don't fkn bother. I threw out all that shit wasn't worth the risk. Anyone that can prove its longer is relying on a salesman and a broscientist as it was proven by medical to be unstable in liquid.
Yea I mean if I feel i need it, I'll try it out, I guess we'll do some experimenting
Aromasin is dosed ED, not EOD.
We'll see becasue I'll be getting bloods every 3 weeks while on, also last cycle my estrogen was good at 12.5 mg on pin days. Contrary to popular belief but everyone has different genetics
Half lives are what they are. Not sure why you're trying to figure things out that are already proven. Good luck.
Thanks man
2nd cycle from what I can see. I wouldn't suggest using deca on your second cycle.
I've checked them in your profile but post your stats in here so others can see.
I'm 230 lbs 5 9' 30 years old, this is my second cycle, I'm going threw a cutting phase, I've figured out my macros for this deca test cycle, just purchased a scale for my meats lol... Was gonna go the 40 40 20 route however now I'm doing 27p 47c 26f all complexed carbs I have a endomorph type of body.. Really want to focus on gaining mass this cycle.. So by the time I'm done with pct I'm gonna focus on shredding for summer, doing 10 weeks of deca, 12 weeks of test, and yes I wanna do this amount becasue it is my first stack so want to start out low in mg and not so long of a cycle so that when doing pct it's not as hectic... It will be a year in October since starting my last cycle.. Took time on equals time off and 6 more months so I'm ready, I've researched and made sure I have no away or vacations coming up to really focus on this cycle and how my body is reacting to this new compund I'm putting in
So this is a bulk then? And then you're planning on cutting during PCT?
No way!!! I'm gonna eat more and train the same I'm talking like a month or 2 after when my hormones go back to normal where I'm not catibolic
That clears it up a bit, it seemed like you were attempting the fabled lean bulk idea.
Lol yea sorry bro, my macros are set for a bulk, 400 calories over maintance
I would think of doubling that if on cycle. You need to take advantage of the increased nutrient partitioning that AAS will provide.
400 calories over maintenance on a cycle is hardly a bulk. Lol. What results do you hope to see?
10 to 15 lbs
I gain fat easily so I'm really playing to close here that's why, I'll adjust as th weeks pass
Stop worrying about a bit of fat and water. You need and in fact want that when bulking especially when you're still building strength. You can cut the fat after. Go for 800 calories above maintenance at least and recalculate as you add weight.
So I can add a pint of Ben and jerry to the mix and I'll be good lol
Even more . . .