posted Mon, 02/11/2013 - 01:11
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Why all the negative about trenbolone?
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All I have been reading is people saying to stay away from tren, why?
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All I have been reading is people saying to stay away from tren, why?
Its suppressive enough to screw up your ==========D
"Tren cough" nobody knows what causes it, or what is actually going on.
It decreases cardiovascular strenght, in some people worse than others. According to self reports. Now stop and think for a second, For all we know our veins,arteries are being eaten from the inside, or they are being hardened. You wouldnt develop health problems immiedetly. It could 25 30 years. Cardiovascular disease can happen due to multiple complications. who knows
Trenbelone use in pigs has shown structural modications to the genital tract.
It also has been shown to produce polymorhpisis cysts. To the genital tract.
Next lets take a look at alcohol.....nahh
Tren cough explained!
http://basskilleronline.com/tren_cough.shtml
3 years ago i was running 5oomg of cyp and 200mg of prop per week. I asked for something to cut me up cause i was to bloated and was given tren.and told to take i forget if it was 100 or 200mg per week. Reguardless it wasnt much so took it without think anything about it. Yes a got allot stronger and bigger but made me go crazy i wanted to kill everything and everyone around me. Worst of all i started getting a pain under my right bottom rib that sitll hasn't gone away till this day. I had all types of test done to see what was wrong with me and It fucked my liver up jacking my enzymes up in the mid one hundred. I finally now got my liver ranges back to normal 3 years later. I've taken all types of gear before and never had such a bad experience as i did with tren. I would never take that shit again not worth it unless your looking to die young or end up all fucked up. Thats atleast my opinion after taking that shit
You were running 700mg of test and 200mg of tren, that's where you went wrong.
This is just a bullshit statement.
Uh no. He was running test 3x higher than tren, if that isn't an open invitation to getting fucked up I don't know what is
says?
Says the general consensus on running tren for the first time. Should be at a relatively low dose, pinned everyday, and taken with a minimal (maintenance) level of test. If you believe I have been misinformed, please enlighten me.
The "general consensus" is parroted bullshit, like finafan said lots of ppl just find that the sides are lower with a low dose test. There is no concrete rule to run a low dose test or for tren to be pinned ED its just preference. So yes u have been misinformed. What works for some ppl will not necessarily work for u...
Do you know why they tell you to run the test lower?
Maintenance functions/Libido/test and tren fight for the same receptors--might as well give it to the tren/etc.
so if all the receptors are used up then the test would just be a waste right. Some people get milder side effects off of a lower dose of test and some get less sides off of more test. Does not mean that if you run your test at a normal level and tren really low you are going to screw up your liver count.
Yeah I understand, and I know you got experience in the tren game... I just think @jerseyboy was running a little too much too soon and he paid the price.
What I get from his story is that you should do blood work at the begging middle and end of cycle.
That's a nice post! And from experience. Good shit!
AnonWhat was the reason they gave? And, did they back up their "facts" with any actual evidence, or was it all just your typical steroid forum anecdotal evidence?
Usually cuz bros don't know how to dose or pin it optimally and end up getting bad sides because they run a fuck load of tren and a load of test AND/OR dont pin enough for stability//don't have estro/prolactin control on hand and their tits start milkin//
Basically it's the king of kings, and a lot of ppl don't tread carefully or do sufficient research before running it and end up fucked up, not saying you can't get fucked up from using it with caution but it is high risk high return.
Your absolutely right. I would have to say strongest gear i've ever taken even though i took it at a lose dosage of 200mg max. But like you said high risk. Im pretty sure there is a place for it and that's with vets that's been doing this for a long time and know there shit. Not for new comers or young-lings who want to get big fast go out drink on the weekends and not take a proper liver support while there on it. Tren can really fuck you up if not taken the right way or get you in a lot of trouble if you don't understand whats going on and can't control your moods.
Facts? Brother these are all facts, posted so guys like you don't run out there blasting tren without having a clue what you're doing.
What's your country of origin Mr. Mcmiller? If AAS is illegal in your country I suggest you edit out that Avi and I really hope that isn't your real name! Ohh and why is tren bad? We work hard around here to keep the youngins away from it. Start reading some of the stickies and you'll see real world experiences with it that haven't gone so well!
So you think that Tren should be ran as soon as possible?
AnonI can't answer for anyone else. If they rely on someone else to make that decision for them, they're pretty much hopeless. LOL. Personally, though, I'm still not sure. I was hoping to get some more information on it, since I've never ran tren. I tell you what attracts me to tren more than anything is its ability to absorb nutrients, and reduce the effects of cortisol. (from the National Center for Biotechnology Information) Another thing I found interesting- Testosterone is shown to produce a gradual loss in bone density, and a higher risk of negative prostate related events, but tren was shown to PRESERVE bone mineral density and resulted in FEWER adverse prostate related events. (NCBI Bone. 2012 Oct;51(4):667-73. doi: 10.1016/j.bone.2012.07.008. Epub 2012 Jul 24.) That last study pretty much put me back to square one in my hopes to understand tren.
With all do respect, that study isn't worth shit. I've seen first hand what elevated prolactin levels can do to a mans prostate. It can enlarge it, which can in turn lead to a higher likelihood of prostate cancer. You'll know when it's enlarged too because you'll have to piss every half hour when youre trying to sleep.
So you are thinkng of just running a tren only cycle?
AnonI'm not sure if I'm going to run tren at all, If I did, I think I'd probably run some test with it.
You need to edit your picture and name (If that's your real name). Not very smart
You American?
Add him on facebook :))
There is many reasons for starting at the bottom and working your way up. If you run a test tren cycle and start getting tits what are you going to take?
AnonLetrzole I think would be most effective with tren.
Way off! Cabergoline or Prami as tren is a progestin and will cause elevated prolactin. Letrozole will suppress estro so badly you won't be able to bend your joints without pain. Letro is an "In case of emergency" use letro to Reverse gyno symptoms. Never just run letro
Lmfao even my wife knows better than that.
AnonWell, maybe your wife is right. Here's the article, along with the articles references... Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (Cancer Res 1978 Nov; 38(11 Pt 2):4186-98 ). In sensitive people this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, Trenbolone's active metabolite 17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (APMIS. 2000 Dec;108(12):838-46.). the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides.
Just take a step back and try to learn. It is easy to be head strong and if you do that here you will learn from mistakes. Lots of research on this site.Read it all and learn.The info on this site is free and priceless all you have to do is use it.
x2, listen and learn.
And edit that picture or at least aknowledge me about it. And AGAIN, I HOPE THAT ISN'T YOUR NAME!
Brother, you don't even understand you're own copy and pasting. Letro is a very aggressive estrogen blocker. Tren does not convert to estrogen therefore letro would have zero effect. Caber or prami are prolactin inhibitors which is the problematic by product of tren.
Anonim not exactly sure why you all are getting so defensive. According to this article, which i didnt write, it recommends Letro. I have no idea if the article is true or not. Thats what research is. And, thats why I'm here. I appreciate the input, yoked. I'll def. look into that.
Anonwhat if scooby doo wrote that damn article..... ppl that write these articles never run steroids i bet
I sent you a PM. Accept the request so you can communicate with me. If you ignore me i'll ban you!
AnonPlease do, I'm trying to figure out how to cancel my account now.
As you wish
Hey if you're granting wishes, I'd like some booty from my wife tonight. Make it so.
I'm sorry. I'm just passionate about ensuring young guys don't screw up the way I did. I'm lucky to have made it out of my 20's with both my freedom and my life. I would hate for anyone to go down the emotional road I did simply because they wouldn't listen or were given inaccurate advice. One more humbling thought for you, if a guy has an ass load of karma points and calls himself "finafan" he probably knows a thing or two about tren. Pick his brain of he'll let you. Good luck brother.
AnonAppreciate it, yoked.
I am on this site for 2 reasons. To learn as much as I can and to help as much as I can. I listen when people talk then I will look for info to back them up. You see the name NITTI above yours? He is asking you a question. You should answer him.
I'm sure he'll answer me if I drop kick his karma
Its like he has you on ignore.
I have a new one to add to this that I hadn't even thought about myself. This morning I read some of the posts from this thread to my wife. I asked her what she thought about some of it and she said that she would prefer that I never run trenbalone ever again. Said I'm not me when I'm on it. My point is, although we may feel like we're handling the drug just fine, the sweats are not that bad, lack of sleep doesn't bother us etc, you never know how it's effecting those we are closest too. She told me its like walking on egg shells around me when I'm running it. That's not fair to her, or my children either. We may think we're doing fine, when I reality those around us are taking the heat. She really opened my eyes this morning. This last run of ten that I just finished will be my last run of tren for good. Consider this my resignation (unless she dies in a fiery bus crash then I'm back on the train!) But seriously, that's it for me because I don't like the way that running tren effects her. Anyways.. sorry for the rant.
AnonBeen thru that.... and really you can get the same type gains from other compounds
AnonI've heard this exact same line while on tren "like walking on egg shells around me"