Urgent advice needed for my first cycle.
I know it's partially incorrect to start so early but I'm firm I'm pursing the first cycle.
As you will find I'm a beginner I need serious advices on my gears I'm about to use.
I'm underweight by 15Kgs (as per BMI) and that's the reason I'm taking the gears to kick-start the mass gain. I don't want to be on gears, in general JUST to KICK-START MY MASS GAIN.
I'm going to gym regularly for last 3months doing compound exercises including weight training.
Stats:
Height : 5'7"
Weight : 50Kgs
Body type: Slim (Ectomorph).
Cycle:
Week 1-6: Every Tuesday and Saturday - Test E 250mg (500mg / wk)
Week 1-3: Everyday 10mg in the morning and evening - DBol (20mg / day)
Week 6-7: Nothing
Week 8: Tamoxifen (40mg / day)
Week 9-10:Tamoxifen (20mg / day)
Supplement :
MuscleTech Platinum 100% Whey
Querry:
Question 1> Is the cycle good enough to suit the purpose? Any modification and/or advices shall be highly appriciated.
Question 2> Shall I use Meta-prime from Eminence or Alphab0l from Alpha Pharma as DBol?
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Thought I'd provide an update for you guys. I spoke with the lad via PM. He is not going anywhere near AAS.
We reviewed his current dieting plan and he realized he is nowhere near where he needs to be in terms of consumption to grow. I've helped him identify some things he's been going about all wrong and gave him some guidance on how to fix them. He will be logging his consumption over the course of the next few days, which involves increasing his daily intake as drastically as he can stomach. No pain no gain. I've also pointed him to begin utilizing Rusty's workout routine for the next several weeks, so a big shoutout to our short brother for having that logged on his profile.
He seems to have an open mind to growing the right way, so we will see how the next few weeks pan out. He's got the tools to start off on the right path, it's up to him to put them to use.
Thank you so much!!
Will keep you guys posted.
Damn bro how old are you? I'm 23, been working out for 5 years, decided to jump on test prop and winny as first cycle. In the end I'm stopping at my second shot. Shit hurts alot, gets in the way of training, and I have little knowledge, either way at 25 and under we produce enough test already just gotta eat clean, train hard and sleep.
https://www.eroids.com/users/avy
He's back....
I think he needs a good talking to from someone who's been in his exact shoes. Sent him a FR... Maybe I'll be able to get some sense in him.
And he's gained 5kg and a year in age since he got the boot lol.
God damnnn lol. 16 ffs is crazy as fuck, just kick start his so called mass gain...lmao.
I can remember talking with my training partner, being all nervous about getting some gear and I was in my late 20's at the time, now it's just the norm for children to just jump on gear like it's a multi vit their about to take. The internet and a entitled society is to blame for all these potential trainwrecks.
God damn. I missed this?
See...... this is why i trust my gut instinct, this child is 16yrs old........ i hope some of the "Do-Gooders" learn something from this thread and come to realise that tough love has its place on this board.... fair enough let the child throw a fucking tantrum because he hasnt got what he came here for...... i for one will be sticking to my guns regarding youngsters no matter what.
Just caught up with this one. This kid PM'ed me asking for help with his diet. I then come back here and find out he's bullshitting about his age. Nice.
Thats why my PM door is locked now bro........ i will answer to people i know and thats it! i dont need to talk steroids either, theres enough stuff in the archives to last a century so no need for me to keep loading up the threads with more ides for the kiddies to abuse.
I have to admit I'm less helpful in pm than I used to be for the same reasons. Shame really that this sort of bollocks spoils it for others.
I explained why I had the crazy idea of running roids and I took your advice...I am not running any cycles!!!
I'm glad to hear it. Unfortunately I'm no longer prepared to invest my time to help you after your outburst below.
With due repesct to your decesion, just wamted to clarify that the outburst/dissent was because of the tone of few of the members.
I dont want to get jaded again so i made a few different plans of how i want to enjoy my eroids experience this time, i felt like a wringed out sponge at some stages and i dont want that to happen again you know what i mean?.... i am doing things at my own choice and my own pace this time and its more enjoyable, and i dont go to bed with my head on fire (which happened a lot).... i bet you understand that.
holy shit, 16. damn, at least that shake i gave him below will put some hair on his balls.
it really does show that the relaxed attiude toward steroids amongst the younger ones is becoming epidemic proportions, and it is due to people online like rich piana, bostin lloyd and the rest, they see those guys talking about it and joking about it and they have big arms etc etc and they think its just a magic formula to get big quick, at 16 they do not have the physical/ mental capabilities not to mention life experience or knowledge.
smh.
You know we had a childs mother once make an account here just to get in contact with the MOD crew because she found out her 15/16 yr old son was being given stack advice through PM?..... thats the time when we really had to step it up a cog or two regarding sifting out the youngsters.... that kind of shit could potentially destroy the board....... i have said this a million times.. its up to us ALL to be really on guard towards problems that the really young can bring us.
After that shocker we had to take BFG on a drinking binge just to calm him down....... LMFAO!
EDIT..... i just remembered that kid was actually 14 yrs old.
holy shit, i remember it but it was cleared before i logged in, stats are a must, its crazy we now have 4000 members who are 25 though hahahahah.
like you said though, the loyals can sniff out a troll, everyone gets catfished once in a while with lies but usually after the fact, just gotta be vigilant.
im trying to get back on the ball, get back in the forums again, its actually already 11pm here saturday night lol, timing is the issue.
its just 12 lunch here......... massive time difference bro, bout 5deg C lol
High fivees to you and the Flash. Scary stuff this and the story Viking laid out. We owe an extra duty of care when providing advise to make sure we don't do so for kids. Would I be happy if my kid was on here getting advice on how to put a steroid stack together. Never mind if he was 21 or even 25 for that matter. Hell no. Taking these compounds is serious business with serious potential health, social, legal and economic consequences. Education is key. These rules are here for the best of reasons and it's up to us all to make sure before we jump in and advise.
Welcome to level 2 brother................ love that attitude and understanding what we really stand for here.
Thanks bro. Really happy to be here and contribute. Will stay on it my friend :-)
Exactly. The whole thread is an exercise on this very issue. I'm with your brother!
You have probably noticed my technique of going into an iffy thread quite hard or harsh?... i do this on purpose on a lot of occasions bro because stats and ages mean fk all, but get a guy talking and it soon becomes apparent he has no maturity or cant hold back with that "i want it now"kiddy attitude... many red flags pop up when a thread gets talking.... these children do not realise i was a MOD for nearly 4yrs lol.... many many tricks learnt bro..... i hope not to many guys got caught with their pants down in PM with this little rascal :/...... we are here to lead, and unfortunately making these youngsters a little pissed off is all part of that process.
Hey...I'm not pissed because you told me NO for roids. You could have told no in a better tone.
I feel happy that I made a wise decesion posting my stats/cycle here which got disapproved though, but saved me big time.
Thnx!!
~ Avenger.
Do you really think i care about "tone" or cotton wooling your kiddy ass?..... LMFAO!
This is an Adult site and if you havnt got the stones to be spoken to like a fkn man then i suggest you fuck off back under mommys apron...... you have to EARN respect here, NOT demand it!!
Now fkn stay out my way.
AvengerSorry about telling my age wrong. Had I told my real age I would not have got any support.
About gears -
Reason1: In my gym-peer group most of them are on juice and that too with little knowledge. Although elder to me, but the fact is they are on juice which induces the crazy idea in me.
Reason2: I'm skinny and fed up being so and wanted to gain mass quickly. I knew it has side effects so never wanted to use them for long so thought making 12weeks cycle a 6weeks cycle would probably minimize its ill-effects but kick-start my gain.
It's pretty evident from my routine and my posts that I'm a rookie. And, that’s the reason I’m here asking questions before I ran it. Had I been a pro I would have answered questions rather than asking. However I'm amazed with the replies from so-called professionals having such beautiful professional attitude towards a beginner; not all of them off-course. I don’t know if they were born gym-rats @ 230lbs and started presses with 50kgs or they had have crossed this phase of their lives being at 100-130lbs during their teens when actually they started using iron @ 8-10kgs. However, one thing is evident that people forget from where they have started when they are close to their goals. I’ve taken your advice, how about I do a favor for free when I advise you to be a little Humble. Or as is, the keen followers follow the GURU and keep up with their smelling and sniffing business like a bitch.
For the rest, I don’t know whether you acted sweet or really been soft to a starter but REALY THANKS!!!
All your advices are much appreciated and I’ll not be running any cycle.
So, how about helping a keen beginner with a diet chart and exercise chart so that he can catalyze his growth, gain and strength, if anyone is willing.
Special thanks to Gymjunkie01, whoremoans, DHulk, Venemy, muteman, TrenboloneJones, Catalyst, big JO.
I'm sorry but your full of it. You write this now admitting you lied and are all humble and contrite about it and then in the same breath you are massively insulting. Why don't you tell us what you think you diet should be and while you're at it your actual real age.
AvengerI'm sorry too, but your full of it too.
...as if you never lied...all of you who attempt roids fool the legal authority and so did I when tried to buy some...I simply lied on my age to get the required assistance I needed...that's it!! I never knew that could be a gross crime or worse than fooling federal laws.
Humility has nothing to do with lying. And insult....it started from the other end by some which amazingly went on and on and on like limitless when I simply REQUESTED for assistance. Even after this shit started in one of my replies I addressed writing 'Sir' and clarifying that it may not be taken as a troll or amusement. But no stopping!!
And, people had problems with the weight I use for my presses as if all start presses using 50kgs.
WHAT I MEANT IS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE REFRAINED FROM BULLYING, showing a li'l humility.
And regarding, me writing a diet chart for myself....had I the correct knowledge I would not have posted the question here.
Let me re-iterate, I'm new to bodybuilding and I'm here to learn more with your valuable advices (that comes from people who could give it without smelling ass).
My age: Will be 17 soon.
Oh lord please grow up. Not surprised to hear you're 17. I'm going to cut you some slack because of our age and obvious lack of maturity. You mate need to check this bratty little teenager attitude at the door. You want to run steroids at 17 for all the wrong reasons which I beleive you now know. So however you may feel about how some have treated you hear it's clearer than ever is been for your own good. If you've listened and won't be running a cycle at 17 years of age and 50kg then everyone here did their job.
You can obviously read and write so here some advice. Use google and look up -
Harris Benedict Formula. There are even online calculators that means you don't need to do the maths yourself. That should give you your BMR and from there you can work out your maintenance TDEE calories then add from there and establish your macros (here's a tip you need high levels of protein) to grow. If all of this is sounding like Greek to you then simply do some research. Use eroids and Google and formulate a plan. Come back here and post it in the nutrition forum and you will get the help you need. That my young friend is the extent of the spoon feeding I am willing to provide given you immature attitude.
Now go and do this and prove to yourself (and to us) that you can check the attitude and put in some work to educate yourself. You don't just need a muscle base you need a conceptual base too. No one gave that to me not to anyone here. We all worked for it.
AvengerMaturity?! Bratty...me??!!
Well it seems this is how it is here....bullying your juniors is not rude.
But you see you got the point...they could have treated me li'l better.
And, Definitely I appreciate all the replies even the harsh once considering it to be for my good and indeed they accomplished their job, saving me from screwing myself running roids.
I knew about the BMR, BMI, TDEE cal, used 4 online calculators(all gave different value) and took the mean of it and tried structuring a simple chart.....not confident though, amateur u know!!
Harris–Benedict equation was a new term for me, but got it binged now.
Thank you for your advises as well. In the lucky lot to get it spoon-fed.
Good luck!
AvengerThanx bro..
I would hold off on the cycle. My son started training with me two years ago and he has always been on the lean side. He weighed 160lb at almost 6ft tall. He could barely push up 95lbs on the bench. Since the day he started he quit any fast food and junk food, trains like an animal and eats as much as he can of clean good food. He has since put on 30 lbs(still has his abs), got his bench up to 275 and squat to 345. If he could eat as he should during school and baseball season he would be even bigger. Dont screw up your system like myself any many others on Eroids have done. Get your diet and training in order and get a solid base, and in a couple years you can give a cycle a try. Believe me when I say, you DO NOT WANT to be on TRT for the rest of your life because you are too impatient to lay the groundwork for a solid base.
fuck, i didnt even read this after i saw 50kgs, im sure the tonne of replies got you covered though.
heres a mass gainer weight shake for big weight gains.
1 litre full cream milk
4 raw eggs
4 scoops of bulk whey protein powder
3 teaspoons of peanut butter
1 shotty of olive oil
3 scoops chocolate ice cream
half a handful of oats
blend that shit up and drink it as soon as you wake up and straight before bed.
train heavy compound movements and rest between sets, 45 to an hour in gym 3 times a week.
no steroids mate, seriously.
eat as much meat as you can, go to a farm and just start taking bites out of all different animals, pigs, cows, shit even puppy dogs, 50 kgs is the weight of an anorexic female bro.
eat eat eat eat
Muscletech products need to be stacked with one or more muscletech products to get that synergistic effect. The nano molecules combine with the other nano molecules resulting in an explosion of anabolic properties. Surprised no one touched on this!?
I'll assume you're not trolling for the purpose of this response.
Question 1 - no
Question 2 - doesn't matter
What you've proposed will do nothing for you other than add water weight which will then fall of after a few days post cycle. Honestly you're wasting your time.
Training for 3 months then jumping on steroids isn't the way to do it. You want to gain mass, eat. I'll go through your diet with you if you want. Eating properly and training hard will be way more successful than what you've proposed above.
I just dropped a ton of +3s in this thread............... thanks guys
Sie guter Mann sind...einer der besten bro..
danka ........... Booooooooooom
Sie gutes Essen bro brauchen...sie ein magerer Junge sind..
rxagentAll I commented initially was Wow because I really didn't know what to say after reading your post it can't be real. What do you eat on a normal day? Let me guess a bowl of cereal in the morning... At lunch you might have a slice of pizza and a carton of milk from school... Dinner time you have some of your mothers cooking. Yeah I've been there at 125lbs. But that isn't even 2 whole meals in my book. Inject and pop all the steroids you want it won't do a thing but add an initial 5-10lbs of water, shut down your natural test production and shrink your balls, when you stop injecting and popping pills you will immediately lose all of your 5-10lbs of water retention that you gained within 3 weeks of stopping and you won't be able to get your dck hard, your sex drive and libido will suffer and you'll be wondering forever why you aren't horny anymore like you used to be. Your natural test will be struggling to reach homeostasis again as you haven't been producing any natural testosterone for the time you have been on and it will never get to the same level it was before you started pinning shit and popping dbol at a whopping 110lbs. Pray you don't get acne all over your shoulders chest back and face because I suspect you can't even afford an ai or know what that is and what it's used for. Yeah, go for it bud. Due to your responses on the feedback you've received everybody else should just let natural selection take its course. Prepare yourself for the train wreck to come after the high and excitement of being on your first cycle thinking anything dramatic will happen. Can't wait to hear back from you in a few months!!
Good luck :-)
I don't think you understand how it works bro. You cant "kick start mass gaining" with a little 6 week cycle. You will loose everything you gained once you come off. That's why people tell you to build a natural base before using gear.
I,m calling Troll here guys.............. he knows how to use our syntax but doesnt know what macro,s are????
Definitely smells fishy.......... and it aint no rotton pussy ;/
I called TROLL first !!! Lol... Big Vik... We know how to sniff em out with the best of em eh!
AvengerExactly, this is the kind of insult that I have to go through, quite often and hence trying to turn it 180 degrees around and thought roids would probably help.
However, you put it sir....what I wrote is true.
And before actually starting it there was a hunch telling me to talk to guys like you.
Rest it depends on you wheather you would like to share some valuable advices including diet and exersice plans or you want amusement out of it!!
Post up what you typically eat in a day then. Weights, quantities, etc. if you could get the macros (proteins, carbs, fats) that would be great as well, skinny-brah.
AvengerOohh intelligent...I see you mean macro-nutrients!! To me it sounded like some macro-set-photo or some auto-instructions..
You NEED TO EAT......... and train hard.......... thats your lot now go put it into practice.