TrenE, TestE, EQ, Dbol, and Winnie Cycle
New to this forum. Just looking for some quick options or even suggestions for what I'm considering running next.
Just a few quick questions:
-noticably Huge difference to go with 750 or 1g test/wk?
-Anyone like running EQ at 700 or should I bump it to 875?
-How do you think the winstrol will do at the end of this kind of cycle?
-Would like to jump start the testE a little; was thinking of adding test prop 350 EOD for first two weeks with the Dbol 50ed. Any thoughts or changes on a jump start like this?
Considering running next cycle along the lines of:
Lean Bulk
Dbol 50ed first 6 weeks
TestE 750-1g /12 weeks
TrenE 600 /10 weeks
EQ 700 /16 weeks
Winstrol 50ed last 6 weeks
Nolva, Clomid, HCG, AI will be on hand
5'8"
165-180+lbs (off or on cycle)
6 years training
12-14% BF on average
4 cycles prior (2 with tren and wasn't sensitive)
Standard legit diet- bulk, cutting, or lean bulk dependent.
Also note: I have not run HCG before so if you have any tips on that for this particular cycle that would be appreciated. and I also havnt even needed to run AI either; although I did at end of cycle just to burn it and shed some water weight.
Just some quick opinions or suggestions.
Not looking for any thrashers or pricks just trying to be pricks or getting off arguing over the web. I don't have time for that like some ;)
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so many guys come on here with diet on point, so many cycles under belt, training for bla bla bla years and they weigh 160, or they weigh 220 with 8% BF. This cycle is pretty shitty all the way around, compounds dont match, I mean hell your trying to run EQ for 6 weeks without test, you got bulking compounds with cutting compounds. what are your GOALS? post up your diet? and post a pic? I wanna see what 4 cycles, 6 years of training, and a "legit diet" has done for you! then well talk about what you should consider in a cycle, cause right now it just sounds like all your doing is throwing high doses and lots of compounds to compensate for shitty diet and training.
As I've listed: its a lean bulking cycle: with leaning/cutting towards end of cycle. I've never run EQ, which is why I've posted this up. I have run the test, tren, and dbol together; currently twice now. Not compensating high doses for shitty diet, compensating for having run it twice already. First at 500 test and 350 tren and 750 test 450 tren. Always get diff opinions on test:tren ratios. So I'm trying it out a couple times each way personally.
And believe what you want, but I don't post pics online, especially forums. Secondly, I'm currently on my first cycle in the last 12-18 months. Had injuries in Afghanistan that put me out a while, and for obvious reason couldn't maintain much.
if this is your first cycle in 12-18 months then you dont need to compensate for the last time you ran it. post up your diet you didnt respond to that!
Also, please remember im a short dude 5'7-5'8 tops.
Last cycle started 149-152 and finished 182-185.
I know how to diet on cycle, just new to trying some new compounds. And am a little more educated on caber and prami which are more common in these cycles now. And again you will always have mixed reviews on to have on hand or run throughout cycle- now I'm going to run throughout. As far as HCG though I am not sold as to run it during cycle
Sorry guy, I am in the military and can't creep on forums every second. Ill type it up now for you...
well?
funny how the crickets are chirping now! dont worry your not the only one that comes on here full of shit!
I understand guys (especially on gear) feeling the need to try and one-up others and minimize other guys on the forums, but considering I'm not degrading anyone or even talking in a demeaning way I would appreciate a little more patience; I would say respect but I'm sure that would be taken out of hand. As I'm aware respect needs to be earned; but when it comes to online forums anyone can post BS pics or stats so seriously that doesn't hold any value to me.
I mentioned I wasn't looking for people trying to get off trying to be better than others. And I've answered everything you've asked man.
far from one upping, I could care less. im just tired of the same bullshit posts everyday and you caught the brunt of it, and im running a compound that seems to be making me a little aggressive and you might be getting a little reflection of that as well.
Understand that. Which is why I try and take most things people say as a grain of salt. Forums are full of trolls, newbies trying to think their better than guys who have many years under their belt.
Which I am not saying is me. I've only had two years total with gear; and that's come along with mistakes as well. Main one being starting gear way too early. But you live and learn.
And I understand the aggression. My last tren cycle almost landed me in some serious trouble
no response? case settled another guy full of shit!
And I will note I am literally forcing every drop of food and shake down my body. Makes me sick before I start eating. Only time I even remotely look forward to a mean is breakfast and that's only cause you've had 8-10 hours without substance
Sorry it took so long to post, busy on post:
Breakfast: 2 serving protein shake, 4 whole eggs, 2 servings oatmeal, Greek yogurt, flaxseed.
Before lunch: tuna, protein shake, and either whole grain breads or sweet potato, cup fruits.
Lunch: 2 large chicken breasts, cup brown or white rice, cup mixed veggies, mashed potatoes or sweet potatoes.
Before dinner: Tuna or chicken salad with whole grain crackers, white or brown rice, cup fruits.
Dinner: Large steak or two, and ground beef, brown rice, baked potatoes, veggies.
After dinner: two serving protein shake, almonds and nuts, flaxseed, and fruits
Also: preworkout protein shake and nutrition bar, and post workout 2 serving shake with nuts and fruits.
if this was really your diet I would find it hard to believe that your only 165, however you said something that caught my eye and that is you know how to diet on cycle. if you eat this on cycle to gain the weight and come off cycle and go back to what you normally do then the new weight is gonna be lost. you need to figure out what your off cycle diet needs to be to sustain the weight gain. another thing is you mentioned military, I would suggest staying clear of tren and D-bol while in the military especially if you PT cause the tren will take your cardio. everybody thinks that you HAVE to add to the last cycle in order to grow and that is not correct. if you take enough time off the same amount of any giving compound will work the same, you got 12-18months off cycle you say, your receptors are ready for any cycle you throw at them, with this diet you got here a simple test-e and EQ 16 week cycle would give you great results!
And as far as adding: I wanted to try the 750 of test last cycle and didn't, so I figured if just give it a shot this go around regardless of better results or not. Had that exact amount of gear to run the 750/450 anyways.
But for my leaning cycle with the EQ 700-16wks I was thinking 125ed or 350 Eod would probably go well with it?
165 is what I've been the last year plus without any supps and without any lifting for the majority of it. I learned the hard way with the cardio the last cycle. Shit sucked. However since my injury my PT is what I make it now; getting medically retired and am not "allowed" to PT. which helps me now in the gym on my own time.
I didn't maintain diet while off cycle the last two cycles either; pure lack of motivation. But it seems to be pretty decent off cycle this year, although needed to up keep the cals and protein the early part of 2013 better.
So now the real test for me is keeping diet from here on out! I found that its the same price food wise as eating shitty at Taco Bell and what not anyways.
Just wanted to add the EQ to my late winter cycle before next spring/summer and try switching to Prop for it as well. Would like a more vascular an harder look for next summer. And test e and dbol carries a lot of water and bloat and you lose a lot of size too.
Thanks for the tips tho, I'm sure you know and have kept up with what you needed to far more than I
Points to consider when running tren.
1)AWAYS run prami or caber. I don't care if your "sensitive" or not. Better be safe than sorry. If money is being brought up during cycle planning, your not ready. You need to have all bases covered.
2) 2:1 tren to test ratio. Lotta bro science has been tested and shown that less sides come with lowered test dose.
3) monitor your BP, especially when running EQ with tren.
Suggested cycle.
Test 300wk (1-12)
Tren 600wk(1-10)
Winny 50mg (8-12)
Prami .125 and pyramid up e3d until you reach 1mg some can't tolerate more. Or caber .5mg e3d.
AI throughout cycle and into pct
Then the typical protocol for pct
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Just a suggestion. More is not always better
Awaiting my caber man, figured to give it a shot this go around before I went ahead and decided I would or wouldn't use it for the next one.
Just didn't have it up to this point for two reason; and maybe you can touch up on the first one?
1- I've read many times if you control the estro from the get go with AI then you shouldn't need to run the caber anyways (unless you know you're really sensitive)
2- I just didn't need it in the past and was still fickle about it. But went ahead and got plenty just in case. Will start .5 e3d and can double IF worst case scenario came up.
Wasn't about the money, although I came across many sites I would never consider paying that for=
4 pills of .5 for 200-299. Yeah kiss my ass I'd rather have some extra creamer in my coffee ;)
Haha
19nor steroids can cause you to produce prolactin. Which an AI can't control. The things that help suppress prolactin are prami, caber and bromo(harsh!!).
Prolactin gyno is the worst!!! Do everything you can to prevent it. Ill pm you a source for cheap caber and prami.
As stated by noid I'd suggest maybe EQ if your doing PT. eq will help with the eating aspect as well as endurance. I didn't know you were military or I wouldn't have recommended tren. Shitty on cardiovascular aspect. Thanks for your service too brotha.
Thanks for the input bro. I would deff have it on hand, just still have mixed reviews (as you always will) on either running it all the way through on tren or having it on hand
GREAT POST!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you dont wont to be like a mother breast feeding!! milky tits for the sake of $$$$ !!
ive seen this happen to many guys in the gym!The typical gym setting im always saving dudes from a disasterous cycle cause they dont know what prami or caber is. and they run tren thinking adex is gunna suffice. i personally like prami...helps me sleep(to a certain degree) and has shown to increase gh release.
exactly, had a dude at my gym recently, come up to me and ask advice, he ran test and tren, used adex and nolva on cycle and still got gyno, he actually wears bandaids over his nipples now!!!! hes getting surgery next month! $2000 au
That sure as hell sucks
DAMN!!! thats sad man. thankfully i found eroids before i started running more advanced compounds..saved me from a world of hurt brotha
yeah man, i was a member on another well known site for a couple of years, but this site is by far the best, with the latest advice, not out dated, im learning everyday.
alot of compounds, tren will fight with test for the receptors, and win! lower your test dose, drop the eq and run the dbol for 4 weeks as a kicker, and dont run the winstrol at the end, you will need to run your ai not just have it on hand, also you need caber, yes to the hcg and yes to nolva and clomid pct, and also rusty was just giving you a heads up about your email no need to be cheeky lol.
Thanks for the input man.
However I'm currently running pretty much that already:
TestE 750 12 weeks
TrenE 450 10 weeks
Dbol 50 6 weeks
I've run it my last cycle too, just without the dbol combined. Which is why I wanted to add the EQ for the little extra effect once it kicks in, and the winstrol for some cutting things up on top of the tren as well.
I'm not running caber or prami at the moment, and didn't last time I ran this...
Read up that some need it and some don't?
Guess I could order some bit if its not needed figure I wouldn't pay the extra fees that cost more than the actual product- and most reviews say that the caber isn't legit from most sources?
I have AI, Nolva, and Clomid currently as I had on my last cycle but didn't run the AI till the end
ok well im running eq and deca @ 600 a week, with test e @ 1200 a week at the moment, but im doing a dirty bulk, if you want to keep the cycle your running drop the test dose down a bit and up the tren, so maybe something like- tren e @ 600 and test e @ 400 and drop the dbol and run the winny, make sure you run your ai too, have you got aromasin or adex?
For this cycle ill keep the dbol, wasn't planning on using winny.
Next cycle is what I was looking into.
And yes I've got Adex now. Was just looking for a domestic source for quick caber as we speak just in case, even though I didn't need it before you never know
Not linked to my personal email or info
RustyhookerYour email is an eye opener to all cops reading this......good luck
Thanks in advance for looking and any replies guys!!!! Take care everyone