Thinking of a new lean gainer cycle: Turinabol, EQ, test e and/or anavar
Hey all, Hope i got some attention with my title.
a little background info
mid 20s
2 physique competitions with a bodybuilding and physique comp coming up in June
right now 185lbs 6-7% bodyfat
I eat about 3200 calories to build muscle on off days and nearly 4000 on days of heavy lifting
My first cycle, last year, was just plain test e 500mg for 15 weeks (competition purposes)
2nd cycle for this year 8weeks of anadrol 50mg ed and 8 weeks of anavar 50mg ed. 500mg of test e a week until week 12, then 250mg e
I plan on starting in september/october after i get blood work to make sure every thing is stable and normal.
Now right now i have a decent amount of test e, eq e, and anavar. I was thinking about getting some turnabol if the price is right.
Right now Im thinking of doing a 12-16 week cycle of 500mg test e and 600mg of EQ. However I know EQ takes awhile to kick in and it increases RBC count. I was thinking if I do Turnabol 50mg ed I would drop the test down to 250 because T-bol decreases SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and clotting time so I feel it would be a good addition and decreases the rick of clotting while making the test more effective. Has anyone tried this cycle or used t-bol to jump start a cycle? also would anyone recommend throwing in anavar too or would that be over kill? what i like about anavar is how it thickens the tendons and decreases visceral fat. so in essence I was thinking this
test e 250mg
eq 600mg
anavar 50mg
t- bol 50mg
but if anyone think thats way too hard core
i was thinking this
test e 250
eq 600mg
t-bol 50mg
or if ppl think that t-bol isnt a good option
test e 500
eq 600
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I would run it this way:
1-2 Prop Kicker 100 eod
1-14 Test E 500 (front loaded for two weeks)
1-16 Eq 600 (front loaded for two weeks)
10-16 Anavar
Standard AI's and PCT apply.
I have never seen this a prop kicker for 2 weeks and front loading, bu it makes perfect sense.
Shouldn't you run test at least 2wks long then EQ? I'd personal either drop the EQ at wk14 then do a test prop taper 14-16 or drop the EQ at wk 16 with a test prop taper16-18 and start var in wk12.
The half life of Eq is so long you need a min cycle of 16 weeks. The reason you stop the test E 2 weeks earlier is because it will naturally taper off why you are on the eq. This gives you a leaner more vascular look which is the purpose of the eq and anavar. Maintaining high doses of test at the end of the cycle only forces water retention which is counterproductive to the cycle objective. Some people use prop at the end to taper off but I don't think it is necessary.
RustyhookerTypically test is run low dose 2Weeks past the end of eq to maintain sex and still let the eq finish you vascular. I'd not drop test 2 Weeks early but manipulate test for low water retention plus sexual function.
Last cycle i stopped the test e and used prop. Eq cycles usually have pct 3 Weeks later. Low prop at 100eod for those 3Weeks works nice. If you add var then var goes for last 6Weeks right to pct with prop. Mast prop is nice as well for last 6Weeks. 100eod and mast has no pip.
You can frontliad first week as described above. Frontliading can run shorter than the typical 18week cycle because the saturation is much faster.
1-12 test e 600/wk
1-14 eq 600/wk
12-14 test e 300 OR prop 150 eod til week 17.
11-17 var 75ed OR mast prop 100eod.
Adex or aro for ai. Blood test at week 6 to dial in ai. If you add masteron...lusten to body for low estro signs.
Pct is 2 days past last short ester doses
Aro 12.5 12.5 6.25 6.25(can adj for low estro)
Clomid 100...100...50..50 (half am/half pm)
Nolva 20..20..10..10(nolva before bed)
I knew you'd have a logical explanation for it. One question though if you're on EQ for 16wks and dropping the test at 14 when would you start your PCT? Wouldn't you want the EQ to clear before pct this being the reason for. Prop taper. Just trying to pick your brain alittle since I'm still new to the game. Thanks for info man!
That seems pretty solid. how long does it take anavar to reach peak effect in the blood. I know its half life is 9hrs but it takes awhile to feel the full effects. any idea?
You should start feeling effects in 54 hours or 5 days rather. You will have reached peak at that time the question is how well you make gains the remainder of the time. I wrote a post on half life math and maximizing cycles that might illustrate my point a little better.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/maximizing-cycles
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-half-life-math-works
Ay man I wouldn't run 2 oral compounds at once, seems like it'd be real hard on the liver n I don't see many people on here doing it
lean gains a lot of people use npp n prop...
I'm trying to stay away from 19-nors in general. I kinda figured two orals at once would be risky thats why i was thinking more turnabol instead of var or go t-bol 8 weeks then var
Var will probably be more leaner of gains. You could run eq n test for 16 weeks that'd probably get you where you want. lot of people like the results they get from that.