Test, Tren, HGH cycle. (Blast of blast+cruise protocol). Critique welcome.
Haven't posted on here before, about to start this blast=
Aim : Re-composition. Primarily muscle gain but also fat loss from tren and hgh.
Logic behind cycle: Anti-estrogens used to keep estrogen down and low dietary fat to maximise fat loss capabilities of tren. Test is run at twice tren, just over 100mg per iu hgh (test to hgh ratio I have been using, critique welcome). Anti-estrogens used to keep estrogen down to maximize fat loss capabilities of tren. Caber for tren prolactin, found this dose through experimentation as I am prolactin sensitive.
The cycle=
Test 1400mg weekly (200mg/ml 1ml ED, human grade test)
Tren 700mg weekly (100mg/ml 1ml ED, UGL)
HGH 12iu daily (4iu am, 4iu pwo, 4iu pre-bedtime, Hygetropin)
Arimidex 1mg every 3 days
Dostinex (Caber) 0.25mg (1/2 x 0.5mg tablet) every night
HCG 500iu every 2 weeks
Diet= High protein, high carbs, low fat. Carbs avoided 1/2hr either side of HGH shots and always simple carbs and protein post-workout. Eat as evenly as possible throughout the day.
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Vewiwish I would have been here to add my thoughts. :(
Am I the only one who thinks this is basically all wrong?
1)SO MUCH gear for a pretty new user
2)Test:Tren Ratio is unusual
3)Adex and caber dosing schedules are kinda backwards Dex should be ED, maybe EoD, caber is typically 2x a week.
4)As other said, if youre gonna use the hcg, do it at 250IU 2x/week
5)Dietary fat =/= fat gain. That shit got debunked in idk the 80s. IMO eat more fats and protein, lower carb intake if you want fat loss.
Not tryin to bash, but this seems a little crazy to me
Bashing welcome, if I'm doing something wrong I want to know so I can fix it. I'm expecting abuse for contemplating >2g AAS and 12iu HGH at 22.
Haha, like i said, no inttent to bash, just tryin to help you stay safe.
Your #5 intrigues me. Do you have any write ups you can link? I would love to read more into that. I know the whole feed efficiency is the whole point of the original cattle drug.
Thanks bro.
I've had a dig through my bookmarks, can't find much of my research but if I find more I'll post here.
FDA summary on the cattle drug (Tren + estrogen mix, estrogen to promote fat gain as with early tren only trials the cattle lost too much fat and the meat was too brittle)
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/140992fi.pdf
There's a lot on the GH15 forums, but as it's a private forum I can't copy+paste links onto here, http://www.gh15.org/forum/ you apply to join the forum, wait a few days and then they'll approve your application. It's a very closed community, very secretive but there's a wealth of information on there. Look me up on there if you join. I would recommend having a look at the long term effects of tren on muscular insulin sensitivity and hypoglycemia on tren, with prolonged use the effect of increased muscular insulin sensitivity becomes more pronounced
Hope this help bro
GH15 is a great forum. Learnt basically everything I know from there. Currently gaining muscle and losing fat while on 800g carb a day (obviously because fats are 20-30g).
Thanks brother! Went ahead and applied. I can never read too much about this stuff.
Am very interested in reading about the tren and slin sensitivity and hypogycemia you were talking about.
Stats = 22yrs, 195lb, 10% bodyfat, 3years lifting, 1.5years cycling
(started bodybuilding 19years, 128lb)
I'm aware I'm young and I know the risks including lifelong HRT and I've made my decision. Previously the fat kid at school, I got skinny at 17 through sheer determination then started lifting at 19, fell in love with bodybuilding instantly. Started gear at 21, pro-hormones (DMZ) then test+dbol, test+deca+eq, tren+test+masteron, test+tren+hgh (riptropin) cycles (hcg/arimidex then clomid/nolva PCT when I cycled) now blast+cruise, cruise on 250mg test e5d. I'm looking to compete and I will do whatever it takes. I'm very determined hence my aggressive cycling, 100mg tren ed is the staple in my cycles now as I respond very well to tren with very few sides.
Previously liked 2:1 tren:test ratio (100mg tren ed, 250mg test e5d = 700tren,350test weekly) but I need a lot more mass and from my research high test is a good way to add bulk to a physique. GH15 recommends 2:1 test:everything else ratio, and from other cycles on other forums 2:1 seems to be the way to add bulk but I have no experience running test this high and am open to critique here. Looking to run 12iu hygetropin, previously only ran 5iu riptropin (with negligible results) and I'm aware you need a decent amount of test to get decent results from HGH and a decent amount of HGH for mass gains.
Thanks, I'm only running 500iu hcg/e2weeks as I've found I don't really get atrophy but will investigate your 250iu/2xweek protocol
If you don't get atrophy and it works then there's no need to change HCG protocol, it just seemed on the low side to me.
You're going from a 2:1 Tren:Test to a 2:1 Test:Tren. You have few sides with a lower amount of test but you may have a lot of sides with high levels of test. Have you tried both ratios before and felt fine?
I've ran 1:1 before and noticed slightly more sides than 1:2 test:tren. Haven't run test higher than tren yet, most test I've ran is 750mg/week with a brief burst at 1g/week (UGL test not human grade) while running a test/deca/equipoise cycle. Trying to add more size and my research is telling me I need a lot of test to make use of hgh to add bulk but if I can get away with less test I'd prefer to keep test lower.
It's more the other way round, HGH is used to make use of high dosages of steroids. The synergy between HGH and AAS make the steroids more effective. Once you reach a certain dose of test or any steroid the returns decrease as the dose increases. If you add HGH the dose at which the returns start to decrease is much higher. On top of this, you can gain more muscle on the same dose of steroids with the addition of HGH than someone who didn't use HGH.
If you had more sides from 1:1 than 1:2 Test:Tren it is very likely that you will have even more sides on 2:1. To keep sides down you could add another compound such as masteron.
Test/Tren/Mast 350/700/700
With the addition of HGH you would be surprised how much you can gain.
Thanks bro, that does make a lot more sense. 350/700/700 test:tren:masteron with 12iu HGH sounds like a nice cycle
Stats ???.... nothing in your profile nothing in your post..... looks like you are a BIG user looking at the dosing but!.. how do the guys figure out whats right or wrong with nothing statistical to work from.
Seems good. HCG use is a bit low 250iu twice a week be would better.
What's your reasoning behind a 2:1 Test:Tren ratio?