Test Prop Cycle
Hey guys! New to this forum, but just wanted to get some new input on something. I have run a Test C cycle before but was looking to run a Test prop cycle this time because the shorter ester.
Trying to decide if i should run just an 8 week cycle to be on for the shortest amount of time, or if an 11-12 week is much more beneficial? Ive heard that after week 8 your gains arent as significant anyways and that it might be better to just stop at 8. Any thoughts on this??
Also heres what im looking to do for my schedule... anyone care to comment or modify?
Test Prop - 100 EOD Weeks 1-8
Aromasin - 6.25mg ED Weeks 3-10 then change to EOD weeks 11-12
Clomid - 100mg ED weeks 9-10 then 50mg ED weeks 11-12
Nolva - 20mg ED weeks 9-10 then 10mg ED weeks 11-12
Would anyone add or change anything?? I also have 2 bottles of Dermacrine Topical, and some HCGenerate. Would anyone recommend incorporating any of this? or is what i have setup sufficient?
Also, would anyone recommend doing a Prop/E/Prop cycle instead?
Thanks!
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AnonI would change it all
Test p 150 eod wk 1-8
Dbol 30 mg daywk 1-4...... can adjust if needed
Wk 2-pct aromasin 6.25 day
3 days after last pin pct starts
6.25 aromasin a day
Nolva 20 mg day
Clomid 50mg a day all for 4 weeks
Also, with dbol, would i need to do a cycle support for my liver??
safetyfirst21This is a lot of aromasin man. You need to have some estrogen to get good gains, and keep some synergy. I wouldn't run it too far into PCT either. Dbol is probably your biggest enemy for estro here. Are you really sensitive with estro/gyno sides? The test will convert obviously but you're running a low dose. EOD could be a factor in terms of consistent levels, again only an issue if you're sensitive. Lets all remember Aromasin is a Type I aromatase inhibitor so the estro rebound can't happen here.
"Irreversible steroidal inhibitors, such as exemestane (Aromasin), forms a permanent and deactivating bond with the aromatase enzyme."
Keep on hand for safety reasons, but you'd be killing off to much estrogen as shown. Estrogen is very important, keep it in check, don't delete it.
Liver support would be up to you, if you're worried run it before, during, and after your cycle. At 30-50 mgs a day for 4-6 weeks you should be fine without, unless you have a pill or alcohol problem. I doubt it'd be truly necessary honestly.
Always run a liver support no matter what you takes it goes through your liver. I take mike milk thistle year round. What i usually do is take Milk thistle during my cycle then a liver cleaner after i complete my pct and then take milk thistle again even on my off season even though im not taking any gear. You also wanna get your yearly blood work done as well to make sure are your levels are fine liver, kindly, and so on. If you have good health insurance i'd even get it done more then once a year. You only have one body take care of it.
Hey MONSTAR! Thanks for the input. Quick question;
I dont have dbol, but I DO have a bottle of Dieselbolan still. Ive never taken just strait dbol.... is that much more mild?? Or would it be similar? And do you need that kind of kicker since prop is such a short ester? Also, why only 50mg on the clomid instead of 100 for the first 2 weeks?
AnonWith aromasin... you dont need as much clomid or nolva...... dont know what dieseildrol is... dbol will jus add to the prop
Dieselbolan's main ingredient is (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)
Is it ok for me to post links to info on it? I dont want anyone to think Im advertising or anything... (cant really since the product isnt made anymore anyways, but dont wanna get negative points or anything). The first time i used it standalone, I gained 20-25 lbs.
Anonpost a link it should be fine for informational purposes
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?9336-DieselBolan-King-of-Mass!
https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/22/Dieselbolan+v2.0/
Hopefully you can get some good advice from the vets on here. But from my experience with gear that's a really weak cycle and wouldn't expect much from it at all. When i used prop it was to kick start a cycle till the long lasting esters got in my system. And im not an expert but all that Aromasin Clomid and Nova looks like to much for the little bit or gear your running.
It's his second cycle. Maybe I'd up the dose of prop to 150eod, but otherwise not a disaster? The only other comment would be is the op ready for 8 wks of eod pinning? The op is taking a conservative approach, which I like.
Regarding your below comments, This is the second time you've thrown up high doses ideas that I've read you post. Go easy, there's no need to be suggesting 750-1000mg test at this stage
Thanks SDM. I was thinking if 100EOD was enough or if it should be a bit higher. Ive done actually 600mg a week of Test C before, so doing about 350 a week of prop seemed low, but I wasnt sure. Its not my second cycle overall, just my second pinning cycle. Ive run a couple oral cycles before (2 with diesel/epistrong and 2 with microdrol) I wouldnt PREFER the pinning EOD, but I can do it. Im just more interested in the short ester factor. A lot of people suggest doing a dbol kicker.... but do you really need it with a prop cycle? Dont most people just use the prop AS their kicker if they are doing test e as well?
Im just trying to be conservative (like you said) and negate as many sides as possible being able to start pct asap.
This is one of the starter cycles that i got off there form which i think i might run my self. And this is not a strong cycle at all to be honest. When i was younger i use to run between 750mg to 1000mg of gear. I would expect to gain about 10lb to 15lb max from it with minimal side effects. Only difference is im thinking bout substituting the dbol for 100 to 200 mg a week of prop for the kick-start till the Enanthate kicks in.
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
What's your stats? Bf% age weight. Years lifting.
Im not 100% on BF but I would estimate about 10-12%, I am about to be 28 years old and am 180 lbs. I am an extremely hard gainer/ectomorph and spent the majority of my life at 150lbs or less.... it took A LOT to get me to where I am at. And takes a lot of eating etc just to maintain the weight I am at. I have been lifting for about 4-5 years. I know that the height/weight ratio seems low, but please take me at my word when I say that I do everything I can possibly do on my own. The biggest ive been after a cycle was 220/6% and that was a dieselbolan/testc cycle over a year ago. I had a poor pct schedule and lacked aromasin at the right time (my buddy that helped me formulate the cycle didnt get it to me until basically the end of pct) and had pretty bad shutdown for a few months and lost a ton of gains. Thus I am hesitant to do anything too crazy again, thats why Im just lookin at the light 8 week cycle of Test Prop just to get me back to where I am at. Really I am worried about the shutdown aspect the most.
Also, i prefer arimidex to arom but go with what ya got. its all trial and error.
Its aromadex what i got.
Looks perfect to me brother, you might see more gains with an oral such as dbol week 1-4 but other than that, great.
Ive got a bottle of dieselbolan still, Im just trying my hardest to avoid sides.... the thoughts crossed my mind, but im just hesitant.