-1 Tbol only cycle
Hi Guys,
I'm 34Y , 6.2'' , 210LB
never used steroids before,having a good frame , workout like crazy but no noticeable improvement lately .looking for a cycle to gain 5-10 pure muscles ,strength,not looking for crazy gains or side effects as i have a genetic HBP.
i red online this for Tbol:
Active Life: 16 hours
Drug Class: Anabolic Androgenic Steroid (oral)
Average reported dose: (Men) 40-60mgs/day (Women) 10mgs/day
Acne: No
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: No
Liver Toxic: No
DHT Conversion: Possible
Decreases HPTA Function: Mild
Aromatization: Not likely
Experts only ! For my first cycle do you recommend Tbol only cycle?
I dont think i need to add Test E due to it side effect and the crazy bulk :
Active-Life: 8 days
Drug Class: Androgenic/Anabolic Steroid (For injection)
Average Reported Dosage: Men 200-1000mg weekly.
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: Yes, high due to estrogen conversion
High Blood Pressure: Yes, normally due to high water /electrolyte retention
Liver Toxic: Low in listed dosages
Aromatization: Yes, high
DHT Conversion: Yes, high
Decreases HPTA Function: Yes, high
My cycle would be as below:
Weeks 1 - 8
Tbol 50mg/day
Aromasin 10mg every other day or arimidex 0.5mg every other day
from day 1 A good natural liver aid supplement like N2guard - 1 serving/day
from day 1 A good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate - 1 serving/day
Followed by a PCT to restore natural testosterone production.
4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
A good natural liver aid supplement like N2guard - 1 serving/day
A good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate ES - 1 serving/day
Please let me know what do you think ?I'm ready to order !
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mraia1111Ok guys after my research I decided to go with the below:
Week 1-8 Testosterone Enanthate 400mgs/week
Week 1-8 Aromasin 10-12.5mgs/EOD
Week 1-8 Cycle Support - Iron Labs Nutrition for liver protection
Week 1-8 300ml HCG every 4 days .
PCT 4 weeks:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Any guidance ?Thanks
RustyhookerFolks wasted enough time with you. I even told ya where to look and makwa posted the link. But you cant even copy n paste?
Youre trolling. And good at it. Just run your cycle and be off with ya.
mraia1111I’m learning from what y’all say ,I’m not here to argue Rusty,Blood work next week then I’ll go with simple Test only cycle and I’ll let you guys know with the results .
Thanks everyone for helping and educating me ,you are the best .
Why long ester for a short cycle? Why hcg on a test only cycle? I think you need way more research bro
I am currently using HCG on a test only cycle. Maybe Yuu can tell me why I shouldn't be doing that?
8 weeks + 3 weeks before pct = 11 weeks cycle. You are advising him to lengthen it despite his inexperience? And despite research proving testicular cell death increases in AAS users you think it prudent to advise against using HCG? Also 8 weeks of ED or EOD prop injections for a newbie? And this despite a prop ester reaching peak at 12 hours verusa midester such as enth reaching peak at 24 hours?
Hmmm, maybe Yuu both need more research.
I am not, under any circumstances advising absolutely anything. I am just asking him, why did he decided to run a long ester on a short cycle, and I am also asking why did he choose to run HCG on a test only cycle.
I am not recomming him to run a longer cycle, neither i am advising him against using HCG. They were questions. They had a ? At the end after all.
The reason i asked him this Questions, is because I am interested in what drove him to that decision. I am not a expert, i have several cycles under my belt but i dont count them because i did a lot of mistakes. I am here to learn.
And as what i have learnt about esters, cycle length, and HCG, contradicts the OPs intention for this cycle, i asked him about it to have a discussion and in the end, learn more.
I am under no position to tell you why you shouldn’t be using HCG either. I have never used it myself, and i have been recovering fine without it. That is why i was asking about it, because I thought it was only necessary in more advanced cycles, if I was wrong I’m sorry, but I wasn’t recomending anything i hope thats clear at least.
Cheeky! Yes absolutely, but if you are going to ask questions framed by the schema of your 'knowledge', whilst advising him that he needs to research more it is pretty clear the implication is that he is doing it wrong versus your understanding of what is right. And of course there is nothing wrong with that, if you are right.
But consider this; the cycle length is not short @ 11 weeks inc taper. The ester peaks at 24 hrs (versus a prop peak at 12 hrs and not to mention steadystate can be achieved day 2 with frontloading) and is not a 'long' ester. HCG prevents the increased apoptosis of testicular cells, keeps the engines lit and working thereby speeding recovery from any cycle and is a positive aesthetically and for comfort.
I thought you were being disingenuous with the questions, and if wrong then I apologise. You seem in your other posts to be hungry for knowledge, so I would suggest learning a little more about these things yourself and not necessarily from someone you think is doing it wrong anyway. Re:HCG, I think that despite what you say about recovery (you talked about getting bloods before, but did you? Do you truly know how your lh/fsh #'s and test estro shbg etc are rebounding? They usually lower over time regardless, so you should be keeping an eye on it anyway) is really worthy of consideration for keeping natural test levels up and for future fertility. Up tp your good self though of course, its all optional afterall!
I really thought he was doing it wrong, but i actually wasnt sure thats why i didnt say “you are doing it wrong” and instead asked those questions in order to know his reasons for choosing it, but i dont think he is going to reply anymore anyway
But yeah, i need a lot more research, i did take bloods after cycle and i saw i recovered fine without HCG, i need to learn more about this compound i honestly thought it was meant for 19nors and more advanced cycles but you are right, it actually helps with any cycle. I dont personally care about fertility but if it speeds up recovering natural T levels then its totally worth it
I think you hit the nail on the head!
Check out twistedsister's HCG post (I think its in the over 40's forum somewhere) for a start. Each to their own and all of that, some people are TRT and dont want babies or couldnt give a crap if their ball shrinks into their stomach on a long cycle, or some people just simply cgaf and thats ok too, but if it were my brother asking me; I wouldnt let him cycle beyond 5 weeks without hcg. It's a wonder drug as far as I am concerned. If you ever want to know anything about what I do with it or are making a protocol for yourself feel free to ping me a msg,
I will definitely do that, cheers mate. It is also a very cheap compound so ill include in my next cycle, which will be test only btw
Rustyhooker20 years and never had any ball shrinkage ever. Everyone is different though. Had 2 kids on cycle as well. Go figure....lol
Got my Mrs preggers after a verry long time on too, gonna credit that to the hcg though lol
yeah some people seem to maintain no matter what they take.
Funny you say it though, in the old days my knutz would shrivel in 5 weeks, try to have sex and they would literally go up into the stomach area.... horrible feeling. but nowadays it takes much more time. it's weird. human beings are weird period!!!
RustyhookerIf we could pinpoint the perfect cycle and recovery that fit everyone....we could be rich!
Ah yeah, the good old magic pill!
Actually you identified that cycle already lol what was it again?!.... 3g deca 5g tren multi oral etc etc
lol
All it takes is 1 little swimmer to make it. Got my wife preggo with our 2nd not long after starting trt.
Its a mad world pickle! Here's to fatherhood and strong swimmers!!!!
Exactly. Everyone keeps telling him the same thing, have posted up links to a wealth of information regarding an appropriate first time cycle, and he flat out ignores it all. This guy is clearly not ready to run a proper cycle, and I would advise against him running anything at this time.
I advise you to not run a cycle at this time. You are clearly not prepared as you have yet to understand some of the basics regarding dosages of AAS, AI's, PCT and various other compounds.
Please do some more research. If you research these links & still have questions, please ask in a separate post or feel free to pm me. These should answer your questions. As I suggested to another member, I feel it’s important that you understand the reasons of why & why not!
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/a-must-read-for-...
I think he must not have read any of the information in the plethora of links contained within your link. Sheesh! Talk about teaching a man how to fish when he won't even pick up the fishing pole!
FYI, great link just the same!
You’re right & thank you brother!!
mraia1111Ok after my research online im planing on using this :
Week 1-8 Testosterone Enanthate 400mgs/week
Week 1-8 Aromasin 10-12.5mgs/EOD
Week 1-4 Dbol 30mgs/ED
Week 1-8 Cycle support for liver protection
PCT 4 weeks:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Is this fair enough ?should i add anything ?please advise!
Scrap this one too. Need to go back to the drawing board and do some more research.
mraia1111What do you mean man ?
RustyhookerDropdowns up top....Groups....first cycle explained.
mraia1111I copied this from the group !!
Don't know what group you got that from but I have not seen anything posted like that for a legit first cycle.
RustyhookerAgree considering i helped create that group. Dude wants cosigner.
You think you are going to get 'crazy bulk' from 50mg Tbol a day? I'm watching Lol.......
Testosterone needs to be the base of all steroid cycles. You need at least a trt I believe for health reasons. Also on a side note without the test your dick will not work.
If you are not looking for crazy gains and side effects why are you looking at steroids bro? You dont need them then
mraia1111I don’t see any results for the last year !
My diet is clean , workout 5 times a week ,strength is the same !cant add any extra weight on the bar ,you know one of these days when you feel like you need just a kick.
Clean diet doesn't mean much. How much over your TDEE are you eating. Need to know cals and macros if you want to make any progress, so if you aren't tracking them how do you know what to adjust. Just "winging" it and eating clean isn't going to put much if any muscle on you. Adding in steroids on top your clean diet won't do anything either. The steroids need food to work so if you aren't feeding the body properly for your goals don't expect much to happen with steroids either.
Pills DON'T make you grow,............. FOOD makes you grow.
Don't believe me.
Add some performance parts to your car, but leave the gas tank empty, how much faster does it go?
basskiller89X2 !!
No. Back to drawing board. Go read beginner cycles. No one is co-signing that.
And what’s the logic of taking an AI with tbol only? Even if tbol only was a good idea (its not), there would be no reason for an AI because tbol doesn’t convert and you’d be shutting natural test down so ur e2 would already be in the shitter.
You got some reading to do. Start with jarheads link below.
Also what’s your BF%?
Unrelated sidenote: don’t buy those two products you listed at the end. Waste of fucking money.
N2Gaurd = just buy Tudca & Nac
HCGenerate = just buy Fadogia agretis
you wanna waste money go for it, but it’s not helping any. that company is as much of a joke as your 25mg clomid “PCT”
Read these & you will definitely get your answers & have a greater understanding.....
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/a-must-read-for-...
mraia1111I like this :
Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)
Aromasin or Arimidex on hand for any estrogen issues that may arise
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Can I add Tbol as well ?
This being your first cycle, maybe just do the test bro. Get a feel for the test and your bodies reaction before including an oral. Tbol is mild, but not so mild you should just omit caution.
Consider your genetic hbp, which is not good to mix with aas at all bro.
This being your first go around I would have both ai's on hand.
Also consider getting bloods done before you start, at your age more things could be off then you think.
Also what is your BF%
Read more bro, aas plays hell on you emotionally as well, you gotta be able to handle your mental self.
your pct looks better
mraia1111What do you think of the test cycle I just posted ?have you done it before ?
Yea years ago, I did a similar test e cycle bro. It was my first, my diet was poor so my results were poor.
I was young and being given very bad advice.
I noticed above bro you said you have been going at it for a yr and have plateaued. Just a few questions
Do you have a work out buddy to spot you?
And would you mind posting the details of your weekly work out plan?
Also in terms of moving up in lifting more weight bro, when you hit a strength plateau you can add 2.5lbs-5lbs at time between sets, and it helps you push past those plateaus. Try pyramiding your sets and getting your body used to those slight weight increases, each time you rotate around to another muscle group just start a little higher. Its slow going I know but it gets you there.
Diet Diet Diet are the answers your looking for, aas increase your bodies protein synthesis.
Food is your fuel, aas increases the foods octane.
Bro you are about to be told by 20 different people that oral only cycles are pointless in the long run.
Listen to these guys, they know what there doing.
You always base a cycle with test, and you dont bulk like crazy with test e, you bulk depending on your diet.
And with tbol you can do both bulk or cut, depending on your diet. you need to rethink you whole cycle and do much more research.
mraia1111I’m here for an advise , just posted a test cycle .
Exactly! +2
Diet dictates weight gain/loss. Not drugs.
And I love tbol as much as the next guy but I’d never shut myself down for it.