posted Sun, 08/25/2013 - 14:23
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Running sustanon 350 1ml 2 times a week on Monday and Thursday. Starting my 4th week and just wondering if people think it would be more efficient to run .5ml Mon Wed Fri and Sunday instead?
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Boahow old are you?
testosterone base cycle, its not my favorite to run but we need to know more about you to give any idea.
Rustyhooker8 years old bro.....
AnonYO
I didnt see anyone ask for stats.,,,, and yes its his first cycle
Hey lenny.., i think .5 ml 3 times a week s a good idea actually considering you are 27 on your first cycle should see good results
lennie dThank you very much sir... LOL I'm just gonna say fuck the forums and ask you for all my advice if its good with you
AnonThts ok with me...
just depends on your goals as far as total weekly dose goes. my personal preference on sust is m/w/f
x2 m/w/f is ideal for regular sustanon blends without acetate ester
with 350mg sust simply hit 0.5ml 3x a week
waltrI ran a cycle of Sustanon EOD before with good results, it utilizes the propionate ester more with EOD injections.
lennie dThat's kinda what I was thinking
I like to run my Sust..2 pins a week.. MAYBE 3xs a week but thats all
The name sustanon means "sustained release" This because its original "thought" for its use was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.
But lets look at sustanon from a Athletes perspective rather then a pharmacological one. Now stop and think ( experienced users). You are sitting down to plan out your next cycle.
Separate all of the different testosterone esters in sustanon and then sit down and take a good look at them. Take each one on its one and then write out how you would use that testosterone ester if you were going to use it in a cycle all on its own.
Here let me split them up for you one more time.
1. testosterone propionate
Ok this is the first test ester in sust. Now make a cycle with it and show me how you would cycle it if you were going to use just this steroid in a cycle!!!
Well if you had any experience at all with steroids you would run it one of a few ways.
A. 50-100mg every day
B. 100mg every other day.
This is pretty much the extent of how you would cycle Test-prop . No one with any experence at all would run this drug any less then 50mg every single day or 100mg every other day.. OK hey maybe you wanted to use the lowest dose you would get away with. Even the lowest does I have ever seen would be 50mg every other day. So 25mg every day or 50mg every day
Guess what? sust only has 30mg of testosterone prop in it. That just barely hits the "every single day dose" you would use if you were going to use this version of test of you were going to use it alone in a cycle.
prop has a 48 hour half life and we all know it ( us with experience... NEXT
testosterone phenylpropionate
Well ok now sust has 30mg of testosterone phenylpropionate and this has a 4 day half life. This of course is not a very por version of test so you will not see many people setting up cycles using this..however if one were to use it it would still end up being a 100mg every other day inject just like one would do with NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - other drugs like it. Or maybe 2-300mg every 3 days. bit again you can see that the dosing is " not right"
testosterone isocaproate
This one has a 9 day half life and if you were to cycle it on its one you would more then likely inject twice a week at about 200mg or more. Again the dosing is wrong.
testosterone Decanoate
One of my new best friends. I have founds a new love for "long esters" of test and this is my second favorite right behind testosterone Undecanoate the longest ester of test there is. Just love this stuff but test deca is not far behind at all.
But again looking at drugs like test-deca or deca-dernabolan
You will notice people still inject this on a twice a week bases using way more then 100mg ( more like 250-300mg twice a week) or they inject it as little as once a week but even then they inject 300mg or more not 100mg or less.
So then how should one use sust? Well yes you can have a good cycle using twice a week injects of sust. You can have a good cycle running every other day injects of sust-250 too as many have seen for them self first hand.
But guys lets use our heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Over all of steroid history what have we always done? We have always taken a steroid and used double, triple, more, more, more, then what was intended to be used right? We take it how it was intended to be taken only we take a whole hell of a lot more then was intended.
So why have we lost our way when it comes to sustanon? When you use sust in any other way then its intended use you get unstable levels. This has been known to cause sust flue, loads of nasty acne,mood swings, and all kinds of other problems.
Now I challenge you experienced users out there to test my theory. Insted of injecting sust twice a week, 3 times a week or even every other day... Go back to the basics and use it exactly how it was intended to be used.
Inject your sustanon just once a week.
But needto man thats no fun!!!!!!!!! Ya I know its not. So lets do what we always do and jack up the dosing http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/images/smilies/evil%5B1%5D.gif
Inject 2, 3, or hell even 4ml of sust 250 once every 8 days. This is a great 1000mg cycle and trust me once you take my advice and start injecting your sust the way it was intended to be injecting you will understand and "feel" exactly why this is by far the most superior way of injecting your sust.
This will keep a constant steady on the rise flow of testosterone in your system. The different esters on large doses will work together one after another as one ester drops off the next ester is right there to pick up the slack one after another
Interesting...
RustyhookerOnly if that info on half lifes was correct....
So how would you suggest running sust and when would you say is the most optimal time to start pct?
RustyhookerI run it with a mild frontload, eod at minimum and closer to 25 days pct. Which then suggests your finisher is prop/ace or oral depending on goals, where youre at in terms of end goal and prior uses.
If youre cutting but still not near desired definition you might just prop/mast and enjoy the ride. Or if within that 25 days of hitting the mark dial in hardening agent like mast/var with just enough prop to not hold water and ruin the finish. Bulking and on point might hit npp/prop if coming off example deca sust.
Ive got a better post in adv cycles section but im sure by the above you can see why imo its an advanced compound. No because its a complex testosterone but because most folks cant keep on ed or eod pinning of multiple compounds for 15 weeks.
In comparison by 'weight' theres more testosterone in simple enth or cyp. Less pins. Less hassles in the standard uses. Eat and grow cycle instead of slave to the pin.
Please.... search for Cryhavok. Hes got full forums and charts that show by ester....why we suggest the pin methods we do in the adv groups or as vets here. Pm if needed....
Hell yea thanks big dog!
RustyhookerAnytime!
his sust has more than 30. his is dosed at 350/ml. only one lab i know that does that. good post tho homie. +1
Ah my bad, I didn't even consider that! Thank you! My apologies!
Good post tho homie.
Great thing about sust is the p/pp combo. They allow you to begin feeling the effect rather soon. The intermediate and long esters take control later but gains are able to be made much sooner and without a kicker. I love sust. Thinking of switching to it for my current run
This fuckn guy ^^ lol..... Nice answer brah.
+1
lennie dLOL yeah I wasn't expecting that
Lol I feel for this guy! I thought it would be worth the read, hopefully I helped...
lennie dWas a good read. I was just. Curious because I have had people asking why not run everyday? Or why not run it every other day? Or hell just pin 3ml once a week and be done with it LOL... just wanted others opinions on the matter
Hey man that's what this place is for! It's a fountain of knowledge! Glad to know I could offer a bit of info