+ 1 Second cycle overview.
So this won't really be my second cycle, I've done a couple of PH cycles with incomplete or no PCT's. Obviously I never kept those gains. Right now Im wrapping up my first real pinning cycle with complete and comprehensice PCT plan included. Meaning ancillaries, diet, training plan, etc. The cycle itself is a 14 week test e cycle with prop kickstart and taper (i'm tapering now), and i'm also taking var at 75 mg ED for the final 5 weeks. I plan on keeping these gains and then after a 4 month off period, I will go into my second real cycle. Here is what I have in mind, plz know I want to stay as close to the compounds listed as possible, but I'm willing to make some tweaks here and there.
Wk 1-6 Dbol 50 mg ED
Wk 1-4 Test P 150 mg EOD
Wk 1-15 Test E 300 mg E3.5D
Wk 1-2 EQ 500 mg E3.5D
Wk 2-14 EQ 250 mg E3.5D
Wk 11-17 Var 75 mg ED
Wk 16-17 Test P 150 mg EOD
Wk 4-17 HCG 250 iu E3.5D
Wk 1-22 Aromasin 6.25 ED (adjust as needed)
Wk 18-22 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Wk 18-22 Nolva 20/20/10/10
The only things on this list I currently don't have are the var and I need another vial of HCG. I also have arimidex on hand, but have never used it and don't know if I'll ever need it. So let me know what you bros think.
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AnonWell if your gonna run dbol as a kicker i would drop the prop or vice versa. ....i dont think you ned both and i think GS would suggest running the aromasin clear into pct and half the dosage of clomid and nolvadex......this is a pretty hefty second cycle ....be sure to give blood while on this cycle cause the bold is going to increase rbc's greatly......also run your test 2 weeks longer after bold is dropped......hope that helps
RustyhookerDon't see a reason for both dbol and prop as kicker. Its overkill. Bloodtests show you need no ai?? Many dudes on here were up over 400estro and had no nip issues
Hcg last 6 Weeks IF needed. No need to use it at beginning. Its a plumper simply to prep for pct. I keep ot on hand but in 15cycles never needed it. Last cycle was 24Weeks. Since everybody is different....keep it on hand. There's no shrink going on beginning of cycle.
Nolva....your posted dose is for aromasin pct. Using aro? Its not listed for pct
Sorry bro I meant it as 6.25 mg Aromasin ED is my sweet spot this cycle. I will start there ED, and adjust up or down depending on how I feel. I've noticed that I seem to be fairly sensitive to estro as far as knowing when my AI is on point. I will be running Aromasin through pct, it's in my layout for 22 wks, which I'm gonna switch to 24 wks to allow 2 more weeks on EQ. Should I keep Aromasin at my on cycle dose to start pct? Or should I follow the aro pct protocol? My thoughts are if I'm good at 6.25 ED with exogenous hormones why would I bump it up when I take away the exogenous hormones?
RustyhookerIf it keeps estro in check then roll with what works for your body. Front load allows shorter cycle. Or no frontload and use bold cyp.
Two options....imo....if you clip test e/eq at same time then its 3 Weeks prop til pct. If test e runs past then its 2. Both work well because you allow the long Esters to clear yet stay anabolic with your prop.
Var....run it til 2 days before pct with your prop. So last 6 Weeks. If running var simply for the strength boost you can keep your test e high. If the var is used to harden your finish then lower the test e about 3 Weeks before prop so the eq/var harden and dry you. Food of course dictates but less test can hold less puff/water retention. Just depends on your goal and body.
Ancillaries and pct look good. But Hcg I would use no longer than 8 weeks at a time. So I'd go weeks 1-7 and 11-17 on the hcg.
I like the dbol but I'd lower to 30-40mg, unless you have caps which is fine then just keep it.
Not much of a fan of test prop taper personally, but I'd start with prop at 100mg eod weeks 15-17.
Start Var week 10, but keep everything else the same. Personally I'd run var at 50mg for 10 weeks but that's just me, 75 is good.
14 weeks is pretty short for EQ, especially at such a low dose. I'd either leave the EQ out for another cycle, or run Bold cyp at 400mg per week for 14 weeks.
With the HCG, would I be running the risk of desensitizing the leydigs cells if I use it for such a long period without a break. So with the way you dose the orals you must believe in longer runs of lower doses over shorter runs of higher doses. I was debating on whether to run 60 mg for 40 days or 40 mg for 60 days. I will probably go with the 40 mg. it seems that way you have more time to solidify gains. As for the var I really like the feel of 75 mg, but it would make sense to run that longer too. Ive also decided to extend the EQ and test e for 2 more weeks, ill revise my layout later. Thanks for the input.
That's why I would at least have a few weeks break in between with HCG.
I think dbol and anavar are better at longer durations. 4 weeks for dbol is not enough, and 6 is barely enough time on var. I dose dbol lower because above 30-40 I get heartburn, backpumps, and hairloss.
If 75 feels good to you for var, keep it there.
I'm just not a fan of prop, I would rather use orals instead because you get increased IGF, nitrogen retention and other benefits that prop does not give. All prop does is increase libido and kick in faster. For overall muscle gain you will gain more muscle from dbol kick than a test prop kick.
StevebHow do you inject every 3.5 days? Are you counting the hours between injections? I like running EQ to at least 16 weeks, this cycle looks good. +1
Lol! Actually I get a little OCD about it bro. I do Tuesday mornings and Friday nights, I figured it was the best way to keep blood levels stable. I was thinking 14 weeks in the EQ because of the front load but I do have enough to go the extra 2 weeks.
StevebDo you have a good liver support? It's hard to get unstable bloods on a long ester, you're good so no need to count the hours.
I've only gone with milk thistle until now, but I was looking into essential forte.
StevebLiv52
http://www.amazon.com/Liv-52-Ds-60-Tablets/dp/B002O225KU/ref=pd_sim_misc_3
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Thanks.