posted Wed, 06/20/2018 - 01:41
2015
Second cycle help
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Ok here we go. I was reading in the thread "cycles the safe way" (posted these same questions i'n there and never got a response) to run test p eod for 4 weeks and test e for the full twelve. So my question is. Do I run the test p every other day for the first four weeks along with the test e twice a week and then cut the prop out and continue with the test e for the remaining 8 weeks? Or do I run test prop eod along with the test e for the full 12 weeks?
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So much is wrong with this, how about you just hold off completely and read through these forums more. Your first gear cycle is always the biggest gains. I myself gained I think 50lbs after my first one. Your diet is terrible, seems to me you don't even need gear you just need to eat correctly.
basskiller89Go to Walmart and pick up some creatine, run that ED for 20 weeks
FortySIXand2I agree , also up quality food and exercise...If I could start over , I wouldn't even be on gear now!
Wait. I thought creatine was bad for you!?
Lol ...What mg though?
I would advise learning what to do after cycle before getting into another. After bulking the body needs time to adjust to the new weight, especially during PCT, in order to maintain it. Cutting right away will destroy everything u just did.
Here’s the numbers:
At 163 and 26% BF = 42.4 lbs fat and 120.6 LBM
After 185 and 18% = 33.3 fat and 151.7 LBM
That’s 32.1 lbs LBM (muscle, glycogen, water) gained and 9.1 lbs fat lost which are super huge numbers
Now 172 and 16% = 27.52 fat and 144.48 LBM
This means u have lost 1/4 of ur gains already and it will only continue getting worse with only 100g carbs as the glycogen and water weight leaves u and as a result the muscle mass won’t be retained. If u continue u will be lucky to have 5-10 lbs more muscle than when u started.
The thing I wanted to point out is the fat mass. In 1/4 of the time u lost 1/2 the fat (9.1 lbs in 12 weeks compared to almost 5 lbs in 4). At ur stats a natural bulk could have given u the same 5 lbs of muscle and according to the numbers lose the fat at a faster pace when followed by a cut. I’m curious to know how ur blood pressure was after gaining 32 lbs in a few months. I’m just looking out for ur health. I would look up cyclic bulking and carb cycling by Makwa and stop cutting. I’m hoping seeing the numbers will help. Best of luck.
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Ka..pow!
Rustyhooker+2 thorough!
Heaze2016You can do either or,it's all about what your goals are. Me personally would drop the test e and run prop the whole 12 weeks but thats me . I like short esters and don't mind being a pin cushion.
RustyhookerIts not either or...
Dude sounds inexperienced so why cosign a nutty trial. Does he exhibit the skill for 10 points of pinning? Or the skill level to run 2 esters?
Gotta ask more questions....
This is almost coming across like you haven't even been training for 6 months yet, barely at the end of a first cycle where you don't know what you are doing and a few weeks off jumping on a second!
You answered your own question. The better question is.
what are your goals?
What is your history?
Your routine?
Whats your diet.
DO YOU KNOW HAVE PCT IN HAND?
Rustyhookerspot on...
Ok I thought I had it down just started second guessing myself and wanted tobe sure. Well I'm currently at the end of my first cycle (A few days left of pct). So i've got to wait another 16 weeks before I can cycle again unless blood tests say otherwise according to what i've been reading. So while I wait I'm thinking a natural cut and want to try to get down at least 10-12% bf. Then when I'm back on cycle do a clean bulk try to put on another 15-20lbs of lean muscle this time lol. My stats are 5' 8" 172 lbs about 16-18% be. My current diet is 172 grams of protein about 35-38g of fat about 100g of carbs. My routine I go to the gym about 6pm when I get off work out for about an hour then 20-30 min of cardio 5-6 days a week. On cycle I was doing 1 1/2 of clangin and bangin 20 minutes of cardio 3 times a week. No I do not have any pct but i've still got 16 weeks before I can even start so I just want to get my next cycle laid out and have everything in hand so I'm not in a rush when it's time to go. Will I need any AI's with test prop and test e? Or just pct?
Time on + PCT = time off, minimum. No exceptions. You’ve been reading wrong. If your blood work came back perfect magically after 2 days off cycle, you’d still fucking wait, unless you’re gunning for a darwinnie.
As for the rest of your post. There’s no such thing as a clean bulk. And if you think this diet is gonna get you 20lbs of pure muscle, I have a bridge to sell you.
That's around 1500 calories , sort out your diet before thinking about doing another cycle. You'll never gain any weight or muscle with that much calories .
X2 My girl eats more than that
I typically consume about 1700 calories daily at present. I am cutting! Jeez does nobody read? When I was on cycle I was consuming around double that Amount in calories. I would consume anywhere from 3200 to 3500 calories WHEN I WAS ON CYCLE. I have been off cycle for 4 weeks and have been cutting for the last 3 weeks or so.
So you’re essentially pissing any gains you made on cycle straight into the wind then?
RustyhookerListen troll boy. Your diet sucks! Thats not near enough protein for a teenager.
Alright wise guy if 170 grams of protein for a 170 lbs Male isn't enough protein to maintain muscle while losing body fat then how mtcuis enough? Cuz while I wason cycle I was eating my body weight times 1.5 which came to about 277 grams of protein. So I don't understand how my diet sucks if I'm not on cycle and trying to lose body fat?
Rustyhookermtcuis wason
Unsure of your intent with spelling. Research nitrogen retention. And spellcheck
First of all plan your PCT before even thinking about the cycle.
You say you just finished a cycle, but you are 172lbs with 18% BF? Something looks very wrong about that cycle. Also your diet doesnt look at all as a bulking diet, clean or not, it looks like a cutting diet. Also you ask about AIs... you didnt take any on this last cycle? Was that cycle without a test base to begin with?
My advice would be, forget about second cycle, and post the cycle you have just finished doing, along with bloods if possible, then listen to the pro’s advice. Because something is clearly wrong on this cycle so you gotta get it right before thinking of cycling again, or else you are just going to keep wasting health and money
Yes 18% bf I was 163 lbs pre cycle and 26% bf. At the end of my cycle I was 185 lbs 18% bf I'm around 16% bf now at 172 lbs and I have been doing a cut since my last pin a little over 3 weeks ago so that's why my diet looks like a cut because I'm currently doing a cut right now. When I was on cycle I was doing my body weight x 1.5 for protein about 80g of fat and about the same carbs 150 maybe 200g a day. No I didn't take any anti aromamizer while on cycle. I was doing 500mg of test e a week for 12 weeks. I was under the understanding that I only needed pct which I had and am currently finishing up. I have been taking nolva and clomid as follows. 100/100/50/50 for chil clomid. 20/20/10/10 for nolva. Can't post bloods since I no longer have them.