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Second cycle and future advice....

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alright guys this is my second true cycle and compared to most of you im still a newbie as much research i have done, ect. anyways, for this cycle (300 mg sust 2x a week) and my previous i have kept my mg per week the same for the entire 12 week cycle and I have noticed, obviously, my gains stop coming after week 6 or 7... is this when most of you would advise upping the dosage? if so, to what? I realize everyone is different and each compound is different but using sust as an example, what would be ideal? Thanks for any feedback, its all appreciated.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Moved to correct section.

mjh36's picture

I'm 23 man and I started using about a year ago when I was 22 and have no regrets. Yea were the younger guys but IMO if you wait to long your prime will pass you by just don't be stupid with the stuff. To answer your question, my gains stop at around week 8. I don't mess with the dosages after this happens because I feel like I've exausted all the possible gains I could get from the cycle. I just enjoy the gains I've made and finish the cycle with the doses I started with and wait until my next cycle for more gains. No need to rush be patient. Less is more with AAS

Roid Noid's picture

HUH?

I'm 23 man and I started using about a year ago when I was 22 and have no regrets. Yea were the younger guys but IMO if you wait to long your prime will pass you by just don't be stupid with the stuff.

we dont condone steroids for under 25 on this site. I would advise you to do the same.

honestly I should just ban you!

irongame427's picture

You really shouldn't be messing with steroids at your age anyways. The risk of damaging your hota is extremely high at your age

The only thing I'm gonna tell you is it is common for gains slow down, typically not as early as week 6 though. Usually at week 8-10. The body raises levels a this certain shitty hormone called myostatin which limits muscle growth and counters all the anabolism that's occurring. This doesn't happen to everyone, some people can just keep gaining the whole way through. But it is very common. Happensed to me twice now, upped my calories, upped them again and had to fight for 5 morelbs over like 6 weeks and it was all fat. I tried upping the dose to and it did nothing. So now I keep my cycles short with short esters so I get the full benifit of the hormone for as long as Possible. But in your cases I would think you need to up your cals , there's no reason you shouldn't still be gaining at week 6.
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allday222's picture

What are your stats?? Your 23 and to be honest bro I don't think anyone here will give you advice. Get your diet down and continue on forward with natural gains. You have plenty of potential yet to be unleashed before you should even touch a compound. Wait a few years and tear up the weights naturally.

DefinePT's picture

you should know my stats if you saw that im 23.. but currently 5'11 215 bf was 9.8 today.. I appreciate you trying to talk me out of it i guess but my diet is down and so is my training. Im attempting to get ready for my first show in exactly a year in which EVERYONE uses. I'm not about to take steps back. thank you anyways.

allday222's picture

I just took a quick peek at your profile to see your age only because the eroids community really doesn't advise anyone until there 25 or older to use because your body is developing until you reach 25 . And no problem bro I meant in no way to sound arrogant just wanted to advise against it. Good luck on prepping for your show

Greg's picture

and I have noticed, obviously, my gains stop coming after week 6 or 7...

Obviously?

I'd say continue to research for a few years. You probably won't so keep it simple. One compound, modest dose.

DefinePT's picture

Obviously as in I realize my gains stop coming due to the fact i am not upping my dosage.. in short-- I was asking what the majority are using mg wise because i feel like i am not using enough..

Greg's picture

Obviously because that shouldn't be the case.
Are you getting blood tests? What are you doing for PCT?

Don't be overly anxious to up your dose. More is not better.
At your age you already have a shit load of natural test and should be focused on diet. Not steroids.

There is a ton of info out there for beginner cycles. What I'm getting from your post is that you have not researched or have decided not to follow tried and true procedure.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I'm not going to sign off on your cycle at any dose. Wrong compound, wrong age.

DefinePT's picture

I get blood work pre and post EVERY cycle.

when you say wrong compound are you referring to the sust??

blood work --pre any cycle-- showed i was on the lower end of normal test range.

i have researched, thats where I got my 600mg x 12 weeks... and that is a very simple cycle.

PCT:
Week15 clomid-100mg ed/nolva 40md ed
Week16 100/40
Week17 50/20
Week18 50/20

suzy b MRS viking's picture

MG increase is not the key at your level, calorie increase every single week of the cycle is key, try to increase calories by 500/600 each week and watch the plateau crumble

DefinePT's picture

thats the challenge for me.. naturally a "hard gainer" ive been hitting 7k+ a day. thanks for the input man.

suzy b MRS viking's picture

I,m not a man but thanks hahaha i promise i am a women see>

http://www.eroids.com/pics/ladies-only-ebc-..-bring-it-on

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

What you doing flirting with the boys lol

I just saw a thread about Mtren........ looks like all they need to do to see the results that compound brings at 1000mcgs ED is check your stage pics, looks like they dont use it much in the USA whereas in the UK its a pre/comp staple.

Roid Noid's picture

didnt mess with her liver at that dose? how many weeks ran?

DefinePT's picture

ha apologies! Its rare to get a response from a woman on here... My bad for assuming without even reading your name.

suzy b MRS viking's picture

Nothing like a shock to keep the boys on their toes lol >)