posted Sat, 05/02/2026 - 01:24
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Second Cycle advice.
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Wanna run my second cycle and maximize the mass. Previous cycle was 16 weeks of 500 test E only. Spent it half cutting, half bulking (got bad advice). Around 15% body fat right now. Was given advice from a fellow peer on this cycle.
(All total weekly numbers)
400mg Test E
150-200 Primo
GH (working up to 4-6IU, currently on 2)
I was curious if adding mast around 100mg is worth it or just leave it out. Was recommend anavar but not a fan of orals unless completely necessary. Been doing nonstop research but would like to hear more real world experience and other true users.
Would like thoughts and what u would adjust. Thank you.
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Nandrolone is a great option for a second run…. If you know how to diet properly you will not get too puffy and your joints will feel incredible. Also, you will really be able to build off of the strength gains you have made (if properly maintained).
Anyone who says they don’t look orals is nuts. If you are serious, you are drinking your water and not consuming alcohol, etc…
Let your body do its thing. I’m sitting around 244 wearing 25 pants. Not everyone is meant to be hard like granite. Create your own goals and go for them.
Planeboy27Ur input is fire thank you.
I have heard it fucks with ur mental like crazy or else I’d look a lot more deeply into it.
This is why I wanted to hear more personal opinions on this forum, heard NPP makes ur insane, also heard var for 6+ weeks will fry ur lipids and organs. All from my research. I drink two gallons minimum of water a day too.
Fire? What year were you born
Best advice I can give anyone is try everything… shorter Esther’s are your friend until you really figure it out. Then you have substances like DHTs which can counter act many negative sides. The world is your oyster, just figure out how you want to eat it.
It’s amazing how good running test only works in the beginning personally I’d say stick to test with the gh. Less is more in this game imo, if you get desired results why start adding a bunch to it? Also when adding compounds it’s best to stick to one at a time so you see how you react to them individually
Planeboy27Exactly why i don’t wanna run mast and var. I am firm believer in less is more. Thats why i was curious about doing 400mg of test instead off 500. I appreciate ur input my goat.
I love var and it don’t affect my lipids like others but you only know how something affects you if you take it individually. I always take it at the beginning of my cycle because it kicks in quicker than the long esters I run. But did u get bloods drawn pre cycle during cycle and post cycle when u ran test only?
Planeboy27Yea, get them ran every 3-4 months. Just got them ran and only thing low/outta range is HDL which my parents both have naturally low. On TRT dose rn during the cut, learned to use the blast on bulk, waiting to full send. While only test, all bloods were stable and in range.
And I’m at 5 iu of GH snd I think 4/5 is the sweet spot…. But what are ur goals? U trying to compete? Or just be the biggest gym in the gym…. Cause that will make the answers to the cycle advice much different cutting to 10% isn’t necessary if ur not trying to compete cutting to 13/15 then bulking would be fine but primo is expensive and isn’t the best compound for a bulk
Planeboy27I wanna compete. I wanna become a ifbb pro.
That sweet spot is so relative. Some brands growth is great at 5-6iu while another I need 8-9iu.
Do u have all the compounds already? Never used primo but test GH and maste is amazing….
Planeboy27I got the GH (already started), got the primo and I always got the test lol.
Didn’t get mast cause was still debating on it, firm believer in less is more but still want to maximize everything.
Cut closer to 10% before starting another mass cycle. 15% is fat by body building standards. Unless you’re doing strongman or powerlifting, then go right ahead and get nice and fluffy.
Or anything outside of bodybuilding
Looks good man you probably don’t need primo and mast I would run one for 8-10 weeks then swop out. Calories and gonna determine the outcome bro bro
Planeboy27Trust me, I’m gonna push the calories. Food is more anabolic then gear at the end of the day.
How did that first cycle go for you?
Planeboy27Pretty well, got strong af and forsure leaned out a good amount.
It really depends on what your goals are when youre wanting to add substances. You did the right thing on the first go with just using test. You definitely want to get down to like 10% bf and then bulk up like seeohshow said. If you're going to use primo, it really shines at higher doses. So I would say you may want to reduce tests and increase primo. I've been reading a lot about gh recently, because I thought I might add it to my stack, but it turns out the cost vs the benefit really doesn't stack up to the hype. I would lean more towards triz or reta to get nice and lean. Mast can help in that department but as everyone on here will tell you less is almost always more. I should probably mention it am also a beginner when it comes to using these things but ive read just about everything I can find on the subject so this is just my opinion. Experience is why ive ended up on this forum lol.