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Second Cycle Advice

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I know there is plenty of advice of all over the internet but I trust the advice of the experienced people on eroids more than anywhere else. I'm 28, 6'1, 195lbs about 12% body fat. I ran a sust only cycle over summer @ 750mg/week with great results but with a little bloat. I'm about to start a new cycle now and I'm thinking about Prop with an oral. My goal is to lean out a bit more and harden up. I'm thinking about oral tbol @ 50-60mg ED with 150mg of Prop EOD and .5mg arimidex ED Ive heard winny isnt the best unless you are already super lean, var is super expensive and dbol adds a lot of bloat which I'm prone too. My diet is pretty clean right now. High protein, carbs only at breakfast and after workout. No soda, very low diary, no alcohol. Cardio minimum 30 minutes 6 days a week and lifting 4-5 times a week.

Thanks Gents.

FreeNeasy's picture

One more thing I think I would hold offon the adex ED but always have on hand!

FreeNeasy's picture

Just my .02 but if youre gonna run Test P why not drop the Tbol and add Mast P read up on it being your second cycle and insisting on adding a compound I would run the Mast for six weeks and test for eight then begin pct. I think if you read about mast you will like the a/i aspect of it. With a clean diet and the cardio you will get the hard vascular look you are going for with out the abuse to your liver with the oral. Short and sweet but again just my.02

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I actually considered mast but I was concerned about the hair loss with it. I was shedding like crazy from the proviron I added to the sust cycle last summer.

I'm thinking that with my diet being clean and cardio being pretty heavy I should be able to get some of the results I'm after with just the prop... Thoughts?

FreeNeasy's picture

A Test only cycle never is a bad thing! But if your running test prop only my suggestion would be .75 -100 mg. ED instead of EOD prop is so short that it's levels plummet at 48 hrs. So ED will keep your levels in a more balanced state! Now with that says you can run any oral you want but be sure to take your liver support ie milk thistle, liv 52 etc. I would take it before cycle during and after. Good luck and keep us posted

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Thanks man. How bad is the hair loss with mast really? I had some hair loss from proviron which kind of freaked me out. I'd love to try masteron but Id love to keep my hair more...

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Thanks Jtizzle.. Yeah, Im expecting the pain. I remember the sust pip I felt and I actually started to look forward to it. Is that weird? Haha. Im hoping to be able to handle the pain and soreness ok.

I did tbol once about a year ago and it had so good effects on hardness and strength with no sides.. but I ran it alone I think I would be much better with test.

Do you think running HCG during the cycle is a smart idea or not necessary? I've heard that using too much HCG can cause permanent damage... I was planning on HCG @ 5000 IUs a week during PCT as well as Nolva and Clomid. I'm opening to any and all suggestions.

Thanks.

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Sweet man... thanks for the advice.

I'm bummed cause the US source I was going to get tbol from is out of it. Lame. We'll see if I can find it anywhere else...

carnealsr's picture

How long did you plan to take tbol? And I wouldnt use.the winny if I were you just because.unless you are competing i.dont.think its.neccasary winstrol.is rough in my experience.anyway

Jozefh654's picture

6 to 8 weeks on the tbol was the plan... thoughts?

carnealsr's picture

Ive never used tbol but max I would run an oral is 5 weeks and through in some milk thistle as far as the prop I love prop I do ed injects though I get fewer sides.that way just a.thought eod is suffiecient though

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Would you do like 75mg ED of prop? I have no problem with injections. Yeah I think I'll keep it to a 6 week max on the tbol. I'm running milk thistle and Liv 52 also.

carnealsr's picture

75 mgs ed is 'good dose imo I just know your levels stay more.consistent with ed injects just be sure you got a good rotation on injection sites

Jozefh654's picture

Cool man, maybe I'll give that a shot. I'm a big fan of delt shots...

Do you run HCG during your cycle or only during PCT? I got a pretty depressed during PCT with the Sust... I'm hoping to avoid that this time.