posted Fri, 06/01/2012 - 23:31
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Prop/var/letro...little gains
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Started running Test Prop 4 weeks ago at 100mg EOD and bumped it to 125 EOD last 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure the gear is legit since it's from a top source here but I really haven't gained anything and my diet has been pretty damn good. I have experience with prop. I have some gyno so ive been taking .375mg EOD of letro since the start of the prop. Nipples were sensitive before and are still sensitive on cycle but not getting any bigger, lil puffy.
I was going to add Var for next 8-10 weeks and go back down to 100mg EOD Prop since the 125 is no diff in gains obviously.
Would I see results from the Var 75mg ED or is the letro going to kill that too?
Lil help guys
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tread-mBrother sensitive nipple is not gyno and puffy nips don't mean gyno. Sounds more like panic and then ruin your cycle with letro. I would drop the letro and pop in the aromasin or adex quarter tab eod and bring in the var if you want 80 split. I would also bump this prop to 100 ed. To get to cycle values here. If not cycling you're just running a trt a bit high and then whats the point. You have history with prop so the 100 ed is not an issue for me if 25 or older. The ed will benefit gyno even. if you do have a touvh of it because you don't have the fluctuation in test ?evels you have on eod. Prop falls off a cliff at the 48 hr mark so by ed hitting you actually stay in the "perfect " range and that perfection translates to all other hormone having an easier time finding perfection through positive and negative feedback loops responding to greater consistant balance in the axis.. estro is a hormoje so by having fluctuation anywhere you have flucuation there. Jump on this and save this cycle . Keep the var at 6 weeks or less and have your liver supp in the mix ed here.
Tread couldn't of said it better, drop the letro. I get swollen under my nipples, never any gyno. Try Adex, save ur cycle
I have preexisting gyno. I was takin The letro to be on the safe side. def can't drop it totally.
I really don't think I need 700mg prop/week since the most I've ever done is 400-450 and gotten good results.
My nipples are sore on letro, I don't want to think what they'd be like without it.
tread-mI had great results on 400 once upon a time too brother, you're. Getting ZERO ZERO ZERO results so if you already have all your answers and ZERO results are what you desire then edit your post away and be on your way...lol. i get it on the pre-E gyno but you have to be willing to change as time goes on. Think about how prop works here before you get it in your head you are on 700 mg's a week of test. Prop is DEAD in 48 hrs which means you never NEVER have over 100 mg's at a time in your body. Lets add 24 hrs to the half, now you NEVER have over 150-200 at any one time. See what I mean? Its trt, its what I run yr round. Its not more to you because you are younger, your natty is shutdown just like mine is, its the same to you as it is me, make sense? I can't stress enough, YOU ARE FAILING. Is there a good way to fail? You seem content given your response here and if you have no gains and won't change your cycle that is failing then pct and get off, you can get no gains without gear. I would follow your bp here as well to see if it rises after a hit of prop (about 10 hrs) to make sure its not bunk or low dosed. I can't imagine you're not sure but if not make sure you are not wasting time there. With your prop dose this low and if it were low dosed you are really running a low end cycle. Just want to help fix this bud, you have to change the action if you want a different reaction, very simple.
I usually feel prop within 2 weeks easily everytime I've taken it. I did feel good on feeling week one but I thi k once letro built up it stopped. I guess I'll just continue and add the var 75mg/day n see
I usually do 200mg eod and var at 80mg. Great gains. Doesn't kick in for me around week 6 and I'm a train till 8! I took adex eod .25
tread-mIf you have prop that won't kick till week 6 you need different prop brother. Prop kicks heavy for me in a week and by week 2 I'm rockin hardcore.
It hits me at week 4, but it's week 6-8 that I see physical and weight changes. I get slightly strength increases at the end of week 4. Prop really drys me out and gives me the look I want. I'm used to use human grade, and switching to UG, I've realized I need to double my dosages with UG to get the same results of human grade.
I'm 9-10% bf. I already have the var so no price issue. I know 6 weeks+, that's why I sed 8-10. Ive made good gains off 350mg prop before so thought I'd gain atleast something on 4500+ cals per day, mainly brown rice, wheat pasta, chicken, tilapia etc. 40/40/20 macro
tread-mAs logan says, stats with age included as well as any cycle history. I would like to hear your actual diet (ballpark), not the diet you have written on paper the one you are actually doing. Reason I say so, diet alone if really trying and using proper gym and carb work sbhould be achieving for you. Btw, that prop dose is about my trt (cruise) dose so don't expect the world here. Lay down these helpers for us and let us "help".
We need stats to let you know if var is good for you. Plus var should be ran for atleast 6 weeks. It takes 3 weeks just to fully get into your system. Var is a great compound if your bf% is low enough. I run var every summer with fantastic results. Its well worth the money if you are the right canidate for it.
Var is expensive and personally I wouldn't add it to a cycle I was not happy with in the first place. A waste. Since you say the gear is not the problem, I doubt adding Var will fix the issue. If you can't gain off prop, you probably will not with var. Double check your gear, bad batches exist even from top sources. If not, check your diet. What's your cycle history? and stats?