posted Wed, 04/23/2014 - 18:31
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Prop + Anavar Cycle
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I am about to start my first anavar cycle and wanted to get some expert eyes on it. It seems as if there is quite a feud going about whether test is needed or not, but I decided to go with it. I am basically just looking to make sure its generally balanced and safe.
age: 33
height 5'9"
weight 185lb
bf% 13%
1-12 test p 100mg EOD
8-13 anavar 75mg - 90mg ED (1/2 every 12 hrs)
14-18 nolva 40/40/20/20/10
14-17 clomid 100/50/50/50
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I cant answer the var questions bcuz, once again, no experience. But let me try to help in case noid and flash dont come back for awhile.
By short ester, noid meant the prop. Prop is the ester attached to the test.
I dont wanna speak for flash, but I think he advises another test e cycle bcuz its simple, you can benefit greatly from it standalone for numerous cycles and there are far fewer pins to worry about.
@flash why do you suggest test e again? i only ask because my prop + anavar arrive today! ive been excited to start, but if doing another round of test e is a better decision, i could make another order.
So it sounds like i need to extend my PCT to something along the lines of @flash's suggestion (clomid- 100/50/50/50- tamox- 40/40/20/20/10)
@noid the short ester, you mean the var? i have enough var to run up to 90mg ED for 8 weeks if i needed. Should i extend the extra 2 weeks earlier into the prop cycle? or extend it out later?
This is crazy helpful BTW. There is so much info out there, im trying to consolidate it all into something that makes sense, but having someone to bounce questions off is far more valuable.
hey brother, I suggest that because of so much pinning, you have a very high chance of infection or even abscess, most prop packs a punch, and I think you will have pip for the entire duration of the cycle- meaning you will pin, then by the time your next pin is due, the pain from the previous one will still be high, this can lead to even more drama when your body is under more stress tying to heal and recover all the trauma caused by the constant pinning, think about it, your going to inject at least 42 times on a 12 week cycle, people do it, but im just warning you, if you decide too do it, make sure your stocked up on antibiotics, and make sure you have impeccable pinning technique, site rotations are a must! you would have to bring more spots into it, delts, quads, and glutes wont be enough. lets put it this way, ive done about 16 cycles in 8 years, even now I wouldn't do it, the pip will be cringe worthy, long esters are smoother and less pip and less pinning.
So is that true with cycling prop at all? There is no getting around frequent pins? I went with prop because it was frequently suggested for use with the var for a light cutting cycle.
I feel silly having started this conversation AFTER i already ordered (& received) my gear, but gotta make mistakes to learn right?!
I wanted to start simple so I had actually planned on a 2nd test e cycle, but the var just seemed like a baby step up from that.... but i guess running prop with it is a much bigger step up.
I have insurance and my dr is aware of my plans, so if i run into any complications I can get it taken care of pretty easily, but im not sure that safety net is enough to get me to start this now. I admit, im a noob at this, but I dont want to make the noob mistake of getting too excited and get ahead of myself. I see it all the time on forums... people ask for advice, and then dont take it.
Prop should be ran for 8 weeks, 10 is the most. But what you need to understand is that for a second cycle it is a lot to take on. Will you get PIP? hard to say, some oils are good and will be fine, others will leave a nice sore spot after every pin. So do you have experience with atleast 6 pin locations? cause you need to be able to rotate pins.
Prop needs to be pinned EOD for stable blood levels, So really no way to get around it.
Var can be ran for a maximum of 8 weeks and should not exceed 100mg/d. You should be fine with your 6 week 75/d protocol.
I would also perfer to see you run test-e for 12 weeks with the var in there for last 6 weeks. just a much easier cycle, less pinning and more stability. And this is where you get to try a new pin spot or 2 so your more prepared to run short esters later on.
Whether your doc is ready or not its not fun to cycle with PIP, its not fun to HAVE to pin a new location especially if the prop has PIP and its virgin muscle cause you KNOW its gonna hurt like a bitch next few days. And lastly, there is nothing fun about getting an infection drained.
gah! i didn't see your post until flash pointed it out!
i only have experience with 2 pin locations, and after a week or so I really only needed 1. im kicking myself for not posting my plan way earlier, because now i have 5000mg of prop im not going to use ><, not to mention everywhere seems out of stock of test-e, so my cycle plans are going to be delayed while...
so the plan now is...
1-12 test e 600mg EW (300mg bi-weekly)
6-12 anavar 75mg ED (1/2 every 12 hrs)
13-16 nolva 40/40/20/20/10
13-16 clomid 100/50/50/50
also... do oils lose potency over time? should i try to unload this prop, or can i hang on to it for a later time for when i'm no longer a novice?
This is a better cycle. Dont worry about loosing potency, it takes several years. PCT is actually gonna start week 15-19.
youll find test-e, or test-c is the same thing really.
you could cut the cycle in half too 6 weeks if you wanted and use the prop, or run the test e or c for 12 weeks, its your choice but imo prop for 12 weeks is risky if not advanced, ive used prop @ e3d pins b4.
the pct I suggested is fine, fine tune and decide your test usage, and you want an ai on hand, as for the var like I said, someone else can chime in, ive only used it once and I don't like it.
you have given me some food for thought... im going to sleep on it. would 6 weeks of prop be sufficient? i was under the impression at least 10 weeks was recommended. when you did E3D prop, was it for 12 weeks? that would be 28 pins (vs 42 @ EOD)...
And If i stick to the 12 week plan (whether prop or e/c), is my overlap with the var timed correctly? ie starting the var 2/3rds through the test....
noids got you above bro, 6 is bare minimum, 8 is good, I don't recommend pinning it e3d, that's just what I tried, it worked, but no doubt on a chart there would have been peaks and valleys, take roid noids advice bro hes got you covered.
i just updated the original post with the cycle adjustments. ending at week 18 seems really drawn out, so I might be misunderstanding something? my biggest question is with how much the prop and var should overlap, and when. i know the PCT should start after the prop, but not clear when the best time to run the 8 weeks of var.
Test for any cycle is the rule of thumb. Ive got no experience with var, but with all my research on other compounds and cycles the one constant was that test is the base for every cycle. Youre in good hands with noid and flash helping you.
yes you need test with Anavar, you would feel fine for probably a good amount of time as var is such a mild compound but I would GUESS that by week 4 your natural production would be suffering and you would feel it.
short esters really should see a maximum of 10 weeks, 8 weeks is better though.
I would do a normal PCT not this short thing you proposed.
test is needed, is this your first cycle? or just first cycle with anavar? test prop eod for 12 weeks will be very, very harsh with eod pins, very high chance of chronic pip and even infections, pct needs work also, please give previous cycle history and goal for cycle.
CORRECTION
I misspoke in my original post. My current bf% is about 13%... 8% is my goal.
My first cycle was back in november that was a test e only cycle. 500mg/week (250mg bi-weekly).
My goal with the prop & anavar is to cut down to 8% bf and attempt to maintain my weight.
I was concerned with so many prop pins as well, but from what i saw that is common with prop. I had issues with pip with the test e, but around the 2nd week, it was fine.
since the anavar doesnt aromatise, the pct would just be for the prop, and this is the same pct dosage from my test e cycle.
well too do that its all done in the kitchen mate, your diet is going too depict your goal,how long did you run your last cycle for? because you need to wait time on plus time off, have you had blood tests done since finishing that one up? that pct needs work, and anavar still shuts you down either way. i
Yeah I already have a pretty clean diet, but im going to get strict during this cycle. I ran the last cycle for 12 weeks and I will have taken 13 weeks off before starting this one. I just got bloodwork done and everything is in normal range. When you say my pct needs work, do you mean its insufficient?
yes brother- clomid- 100/50/50/50- tamox- 40/40/20/20/10. that's how I like running mine, you can alter doses a bit if you like, but you want about 4 weeks of clomid and nolva.
I would just go test e again bro, 12 weeks, pct 2.5 weeks after last pin, someone else can chime in for the anavar, to me its bird food, but there are a ton of dudes with good things to say about it so they can chime in.