posted Sun, 05/12/2013 - 15:00
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preventing gyno on DBOL
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Just hopped on dbol last weel ..(finishing my test-e cycle on dbol) started to notice a small lump deep inside one nipple and I have been taking 12.5mg aromasin eod..I don't want to kill my gains with aromasin would Nova be a better choice..I actually want to get a lot of bloat and I feel the aromasin just kills everything..lump hasn't gotten any worse in the past 3-4days
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Rustyhookerhttp://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/week-7-test-e-onl...
Did you get blood tests for first cycle? Did you rework diet?
RustyhookerI still dont know what brosite would suggest dbol as a finisher!! Smh! Dbol jackes estro and loads water. Si you really want yo finish with water bloat? Dbol is a KICKER
Aromasin is EVERY DAY dosing. Throw that dbol back into stock for later. Hella funky crap advised for what reason?
Make sure you run that aro pct.
Yo can run dbol whenever u want, but mist people use it as a kicker..I ran test-e for 10weeks with ought significant Gaines so I decided to hop on dbol the last few weeks..I don't have any bloat from test so yeah I do want some bloat/ any form of gaines..no1 advised it but myself..I'm now on 6.25mg aromasin ED and 20mg Nova Ed
How's that working for ya?
Yeah there's a reason why....
bloat does not = gains.
bingo! Ive seen a couple people use Dbol at the end of their cycle, they blew up with bloat, which is not gains! then the cycle ends and Inwatched them literally deflate, lose a strength and it just made the whole pct situation harder on them. Like J said, there is a reason it is used as a kickstart.
the lack of gains is from not eatimg enough homie, not from the test not working good enough - food is how you make the gains, not dbol. i feel ya on wanting to put on weight even if it is just bloat, i was the same way on my 1st cycle and didnt care as lomg as #s on the scale went up, but dude all that bloat is gonna be the first to go as soon as you start pct!
i agree 100% with j223, dealing with gyno comes before everything else and that matt is steering you the wrong direction. nolva will stop the gyno for gettng any worse, but if you add dbol into the mix you're in trouble bro - it aromatizes at an incredibly high rate, so it would probably make things worse. sure nolva will block the estro effects, but it wont stop test from converting to estro - for that you need an ai. i dont know anything about letro's dosing protocol so i cant speak on that, but couldnt agree more that you should order some if you havent already ... if the gyno gets worse you're gonna need it! better be safe then sorry cause you took a shortcut and temporary fix with nolva.
RustyhookerGuess I'll come find you to help me run my 16th cycle. Lmao! Dbol at tail end is bogus dude. If gains stall its food, high/low estro.
Gotta love newbs come in asking for help but already know it all. Lol
Gunna drop aromsin to 6.25mg ED and go to 20mg Nova daily? And play it by feel and only one nip has a lump deep inside like way behind nip and is smaller then a pee
now you're on the right track, i'd do this until i got the letro in, then assess how bad the gyno is at that time and research like crazy to find most appropriate dosing for how bad it is. also, i wouldnt take any dbol in that time but that seems like a given to me
A lot of misinformation in the responses below. ridingbicycles, please try not to get confused.
Here's what you need to do.
1. stop taking dbol until you get everything under control
2. Continue aromasin, but take daily.
3. Add nolvadex daily at 20mg. This will reduce severity of the gyno
you may need to Add Letrozole if your gyno doesnt go away within a week or so. I would order some now if you don't have any.
Stop worrying about your gains right now. Your number one priority is getting rid of gyno. You can make gains later, but once gyno hardens up the only way to remove it is surgery. Surgery is very expensive and not what you want to do. Focus on getting rid of gyno, adding nolva will not "stop your gains"
RustyhookerYes! ^^^
If you already have a lump or gyno prone,,,try some LETROZOLE.
You dont need much for it to be effective and shouldnt hinder your gains
at all if used right.
This may sound stupid considering the topic, but he also needs to make sure he doesn't take too much and not have any estrogen.
Nolva has a half life of 5-6 days, just fyi. So, once gyno is gone, come back down to 20mg and go no higher than 40mg.
Nolva should give you exactly what you're looking for brother. The only two things that are bad about nolvadex are 1) it isn't super strong like arimidex; and 2) it will almost immediately significantly lower your gh levels. My rule for my rats is no more than 20mg a day which atm takes care of over 1.6 grams of juice a week.
Gyno is highly genetic so you may have to get on arimidex. Just bear that in mind.
So u think I should come off the aromas in and hop on 10mg of Nova per day?
20mg bro. If gyno goes too long, it's surgery time, so definitely chug nolva until it's gone lol.
Okso tommorow I will start the nolva at 20mg and no aromas in..does Nova kill gains and reduce bloat like aromas in?
No it won't. Nolva should be everyone's absolute number one on and off cycle "anti-estrogen"...although, technically, nolvadex is actually an estrogen modulator.
Ohh didn't no..thought that aromasin/armidex was the go to for estro control
That is correct. Arimidex and Aromasin are in a class called AI - Aromatase inhibitor. They reduce amount of estrogen your body converts.
Arimidex is great so don't misunderstand. But, it is a much stronger compound and has many negative side effects long term. Arimidex is usually unnecessary.
you have it backwards bro. Aromasin is stronger and has more sides.
Yes, but arimidex also has negative sides in the long term. Such as joint pain, negative increase in lipid panels, elevated blood pressure, etc. But, yes, aromasin is even worse. All aromatase inhibitors increase our risk for cardiovascular disease.
those are all temporary and dose dependent. Those are documented sides in women with breast cancer who take 1-3mg of arimidex daily for the rest of their life.
Us steroid users only use a fraction of the dose 0.25mg about 3x per week. We also only use for about 12 weeks or so at a time. No need to worry about long term side effects of arimidex.
Exemestane has just as bad if not WORSE long term sides but I'm not gonna get into that. Basically what you were mentioning is irrelevant.
Right this is true. With .25mg no negatives will be seen. I've always have had to take upwards of 1mg a day or eod. I've never heard of less than .5mg a day being effective enough but that doesn't mean it's not true :). Good info j223.
well maybe you take higher dosed cycles than most people, or you are extra sensitive to estrogen. Either way, aromasin might be best for you since it's stronger.
Most people don't need much arimidex to keep estrogen under control. For those who do, aromasin might be a better option.
It's all about finding what works best for you. Both are great AI's.
Ohh OK, I feel 20mg of Nova might be to high do u think 10mg/day is fine or 20mg EOD?
You have gyno bro. Minimum of 20mg a day. I take 20mg a day, no sides. Nolva doesn't really have any sides for most people all the way up to 40mg a day.
Ohh didn't no..thought that aromasin/armidex was the go to for estro control
the nolva isnt a garuntee, it will have a better chance of getting rid of the gyno once you are off the gear, but if you take it while still on you will need more than 20mgs a day, it may stop the severity of it but not get rid of it, id say got the letro/aromasin route and blast the shit out of that gyno!! imo