posted Mon, 07/04/2011 - 16:49
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Opinions/advice?
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Need some opinions/advice on future cycle:
(This will be X's gear)
Test P - Tren A - Masteron complex (100/100/50)... 250mgs total... every 2-3 days... wk1-3.
Test E.... wk1-4 @ 500mgs/wk then wk5-12 bump it up to 750-1000mgs/wk.
Deca.... wk1-10 @ 600mgs/wk.
Dbol.... wk1-5 @ 50mgs/day.
I'm looking for informational opinions/advice... nobody bashing or criticizing please... this is just an idea.
Thanks!
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test p and tren a needs to be pinned EOD minimum
Run dbol weeks3-8 or the last 4 or 5 weeks until pct starts.
run test e a steady dose of 750 mgs a week...no need to bup it up. or you could frontload 1200 mgs the first week then run it at 750 a week for 10 -12 weeks
my 2 cents
Cycle doesn't look bad to me, just a bit complicated with unnecessary compounds in there. I don't think the blend in week 1-3 is necessary and a bit of a waste imo. It's a bit like the rip blend I sell and it should be used exactly for that...getting ripped. No point putting it in at the beginning with dbol that can bloat you anyway and then hitting the test e and Deca later. I'd stick to a Test e, Deca, Dbol cycle. Save the blend for when you want to cut up. I'm not a great fan of frontloading or ramping up and down. Keep it simple. Imho a simple test, Deca, Dbol cycle at the doses you're talking about would look like:
Test e week 1-12 @ 900mg
Deca week 1-10 @ 600mg
Dbol week 1-5 @ 50mg/day
Nolva for pct or gyno probs or if you're very prone to gyno like I am, start low dose letro 4 to 6 weeks in advance to stabilize blood levels. I'm very prone to gyno and I use 1/6 of a 2.5mg letro tab every 9 days and it works for me, I kid you not.
Yeah I'm not gonna run the blend just do what u all r recommending :-)
Now running the blend... say in the future... how many vials needed? What dosages? Taken when? How often? And for how long?
Now I have liquid letro... 2.5/ml... how much would u recommend? Dosage? Length of time?
GREATLY appreciated!
For your future cutting cycle, for an 8 week course you'd need 3 vials at 1ml eod. You could up the dose a little if you wanted in which case you'd need more vials but remember tren is a pretty harsh compound so be careful.
With letro I can only tell you what works for me. I'm very prone to gyno and 1mg ed of adex did nothing. I got sore lumps developing so I hit the letro ramping up to 2.5mg per day till it went then I started reducing it gradually. I've now reduced it to 1/6 of a 2.5mg tablet every 9 days and I blast cruise, currently on 1000mg of test per week with no signs of gyno. That'll tell you how strong letro is. Many say it's too strong and will seriously diminish your gains. Like I said if I were going to use letro to prevent gyno during a cycle I would start it well before the cycle as letro takes a long time to get stable blood levels. Dosing is individual as everyone reacts differently and sensitivity to estrogen and gyno vary tremendously.
Greatly appreciate the help/info brother!
AnonEverything looks ok for your cycle. If i was you i would use the dbol and prop only for kick start and would use the blend for the 2-3 weeks before pct to minimize the dead time. Else keep the blend for another cycle like others have suggested.
Also you can use npp together with your prop to get the most out of the deca as well and i suggest to keep the 750 test e from the start.
Nice cycle good luck with it
I'm simply gonna do the test e, deca, dbol bro! How would u run the blend if u were to run it?
What's npp?
AnonNpp/durabolin is nandrolene phenylpropionate, a fast acting deca. Very good stuff for kickstarting a deca cycle. Best run some prop like others said at the end of your cycle and use the blend for a future cutter.
Nice! Much appreciated bro!
Hllwdbdboy> first off I appreciate the help w/the cycle layout... I'm using my phone and I have limited texting apps to post.
Ok... I'm 29, 6'1", 235lbs, estimated bf%.. I'm guessing between 15-20%, diet is fairly clean during cycle... try to keep calories up +3500/day... I know not enough but sometimes u don't gave the time nor the appetite.
I'm currently on my 3rd cycle:
So instead of the blend would u recommend test p the first few wks?
And just curious y so low on the mgs/wk for both test e and deca? I typically run test e @ 750-1000/wk.
I have proper pct for every occasion: clomid, nolva, torem, letro, exemestane, gotta find a source for caber but other than that I'm always prepared.
What would u recommend as a cycle for me bro? I greatly appreciate the help and info!
okay, now with a little background and seeing that ur a few cycles in that changes things. I'd suggest:
wks 1-4 50mg ed dbol (split)
wks 1-12 600mg deca ew
wks 1-14 750mg (or 1000mg) test e ew
run the cycle a little longer to get the most out of the deca (and always run test higher than deca to try and keep the private saluting, if you know what i mean)
stick with the dbol kicker (easier than pinning test p ed)
and if u really want to utilize the test p then u could go
wks 1-12 test e 750-1000mg ew
wks 13-14 test p 75-100mg ed for an easier transition into PCT - start PCT 2days after last jab
also running that much test w/ dbol you may want to run AI, you say you have EX I believe the dosage is 12.5 eod or e3d
HCG 250 2x wk wks 2-13 is also an option
this is just my .02 bro
Ok good deal!
I was reading numerous forums and saw Dbol, Deca, Test E was quite a favorable cycle so I think I'm gonna go w/it... and now that u've helped me figure out dosages I'm even more confident so I appreciate that!
Ok now I may only b able to afford what's needed to run a cycle of Test E @ 750-1000mgs/wk for 12 weeks and Deca @ 600mgs/wk fir 10 wks... atleast I can still run the test longer than the deca, dbol I have enough to run 50mgs/day for 5-6 wks...recommend that long or no?
Can I run Ex throughout the entire cycle rod or e3d? And does this help w/pre-existing gyno? Reason I ask is my current cycle is flaring up my gyno pretty bad and I was recommended Ex and or Letro... I have both on hand.
Also when in ur opinion/experience should u actually see/feel effects of test e and tren e typically? Cuz I started wk 5 today and not sure if it's kickin in yet =/ different brands hit me @ different rates for some reason.
Thanks again brother! Ur a big help.
4wks on dbol should be fine. u can run it longer if u want but a "kicker" is used to jumpstart a cycle til the long esters kick in and 4 wks should be plenty.
yes run the EX 2wks into cycle and stop a wk before ending (IMO)... and if u got gyno NOW jump on the letro bro... **i run adex EVERY cycle bro
u should be "feeing it" by now... u don't see/feel anything?
Ok i'll just do the 4wks. What do u mean run the Ex 2wks into cycle? See I did EX @ 12.5 for a week... notta so I did letro for 5 days @ 2.5 and still no help... ive been told to get on prami which I've never heard of nor know where to get as well as cabasar? Is that cabergoline? How long and what dose u recommend w/the letro?
Well I dunno... I mean my strength is up here and there... scale hasn't moved a whole lot... body composition not much different... appetite is low... aggression no change... yet sex drive is up and gyno flaring ;(
Anon5 days of letro is nothing for reversing gyno. I would say you need 3 weeks minimum in the max dose to see any results with reversing. Also sounds like you need to run dostinex with it since you are using tren. And yes cabaser/dostinex is cabergoline
Taper up the letro in 5 days and keep the max dosage till your gyno symptoms are gone don't expect it to work in a few days though and best get on it asap.
Really?!? See I was worried letro hindered gains during cycle...
So 2.5/day for 3 wks? Lol there goes my libido =/
Greatly appreciate the help/info brother!
AnonGains mean nothing comparing to boobage mate priorities change and also not everyone gets joint pain/hindered gains but you will loose water. You should be fine as long as you dont run it for too long ie 12 weeks etc. The libido will defo go but tbh it is worth it and also if you get past the sex drive thing, there are no problems sort of speak, as long as you are running test with it. It has affected my sex drive but not performance hope it makes sense. Whatever you do take care of the flare up first and worry about gains, drive after :).
yeah... what he said
Lmao nice!
Jacob11379> I thought about front loading... I've done 1000mgs test e strait through for 10wks in the past w/phenomenal results and the current cycle i'm running 800mgs and just started wk 5 today and am waiting for it to kick in... so I typically run high mgs of test e.
The reason u considered doing 500mgs wk1-4 is just fir the reason if it taking that amount of time to kick in then i'd bump it up to 1000 but it was just an experimental thought. Of course I will have adex or exemestane in there... Havin hard time finding a source for caber. The complex of tren a, test p, and maateron is distributed 80/80/90... checked w/X and u was gonna pin it every 2 days.
Thanks for ur help bro much appreciated!
First of all brother, let me help u out with posting a cycle. it should look something like this:
wks 1-3 test p/tren a/mast a blend 250mg 2-3x wk
wks 1-5 dbol 50mg ed
wks 1-4 test e 500mg ew
wks 5-10 750-1000mg ew
wks 1-10 deca 600mg ew
Now hypothetically, without knowing any stats, cycle history, diet, etc.... looking at this cycle (IMO) i would drop the blend altogether and save it for another cycle and do something like this:
wks 1-4 d-bol 50mg ed (split)
wks 1-10 deca 400mg ew
wks 1-12 test e 500mg ew
...and of course a proper PCT in place
*AI and HCG optional
**more isn't always better
If ur new (and I'm assuming you are) this is a pretty standard cycle. if ur BRAND new some would say just stick with the test (with good reason) and maybe a dbol kicker but I (personally) don't see anything wrong with this simple stack
***EDIT jacobs right, you could frontload the deca, but if ur new to cycling u should see great results without