Next cycle questions... Using prop as kick/taper
Hey bros,
looking to buy my next stack now and need some help. This will be stack five, for those of you that dont remember my last posts, I am currently on TrenE/TestCyp 400/wk. I want to get back to EQ this next Jan and run a 20 week cycle. I have a competition in the middle of May and have a shit ton of questions:
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If I kickstart with prop, and TestE or Cyp... will it screw up the effective ratio of EQ to Test? I keep hearing different things about the ratio of test to eq. Last time I ran them, I did 500cyp and 600EQ. Would 400prop, 400testE be over doing it with only 600 EQ?
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Should I stop my cycle sooner or extend it past my comp. The way I have it set now, I will PCT a week after my show. Should I stay on during comp or pct before my comp?
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If I taper, not sure If i should with EQ, but if you think i should then do I stop EQ and Cyp at same time or stop cyp two weeks after EQ then taper with prop? Idk if that was confusing but I know normally with EQ you stop EQ 2 weeks before you stop test, but does this apply with prop? So the options look like:
Test Cyp 1-16
EQ 1-16
Prop 1-4 16-20
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TestCyp 1-18
EQ 1-16
Prop 1-4 and 16-20
Maybe I am way off, but I am having a hard time finding info on using prop with EQ. I know they are diff ester lengths but I have a problem retaining water with high test doses and I have seen and read that prop doesnt retain as much. Even with AI I still bloat. Gimme your input
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This is a competition cycle. You'd be best off having Viking lay it out for you, I'd ask him in pm or hopefully he will lay out a proper cycle for you here. For a show, I don't really like the plan below too much honestly.
Right on! +2 for pointing a brother in the right (i.e. correct) direction
zewidid he read the whole thread at all???
Read the whole thread. There's so much more manipulation that needs to be done for a contest prep and I think the best qualified to lay this out for him is Viking that's why I said that.
cdaddy7Was this not Vikings respone to Zewi's plan below??
"CYCLE IS GOOD FOR A RUN UPTO A COMP ZEWI I LIKE IT AND WOULD DEFINATELY RUN THE MAST FOR THE TIGHT FINISH... ONLY THING I WILL ADD HERE IS MAKE SURE THIS CYCLE ENDS 2WKS BEFORE THE SHOW THEN PCT CAN COMMENCE AFTER ITS ALL OVER... NO PANIC ABOUT CUTTIN CYCLE 2WK OUT THE BODY WILL STILL BE SATURATED WITH ESTERS SO HE WONT FEEL LIKE HE IS CRASHING!...THE REASON I SAY END 2WKS BEFORE SHOW IS SO HIGH TEST LEVELS DO NOT COMPLICATE WATER DEPLETION MODE!"
zewiWhat are your goals for the cycle? Cut up?
Yeah, Im bulked now up to 260 since I have been on Tren and Test. I will keep going to close to 275 as long as body fat stays under 11... which it has. When I competed last time I was 224 at 7% Id like to be around there again and loved the clean, smooth lean mass that EQ gave me. I need to slice and dice though for this show so I know your prob thinkin var or win which is also an option
zewiThis is what i would run...IMO
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-16 Test E @ 375mg a week
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
15-20 Test P @ 100mg EOD
15-20 Anavar @ 50mg ED(or winny)
(and if you really wanted 15-20 Mast p @ 100mg EOD)
The lean mass you gain from EQ, will be sweet keeping the water down with lower test, and really using the benefits of Eq.
Ending with TEST P and Anavar(or winny) will tighten you up and make you ready for your competition. If you BF is low which it should be adding Mast p the last 6 weeks would make you look even harder.
Zwei you need to start a consultancy company bro! HAHA
CYCLE IS GOOD FOR A RUN UPTO A COMP ZEWI I LIKE IT AND WOULD DEFINATELY RUN THE MAST FOR THE TIGHT FINISH... ONLY THING I WILL ADD HERE IS MAKE SURE THIS CYCLE ENDS 2WKS BEFORE THE SHOW THEN PCT CAN COMMENCE AFTER ITS ALL OVER... NO PANIC ABOUT CUTTIN CYCLE 2WK OUT THE BODY WILL STILL BE SATURATED WITH ESTERS SO HE WONT FEEL LIKE HE IS CRASHING!...THE REASON I SAY END 2WKS BEFORE SHOW IS SO HIGH TEST LEVELS DO NOT COMPLICATE WATER DEPLETION MODE!
this brings up a question i have. i was aware that while using test there would be some water retention. i was thinking that if ran with a dry compound like winny or mast p it would eliminate the water-retention greatly (making you hold less water then normal homeostatic levels without gear).
so what you are saying is that test should be cut out for the most part if not completely at the time of competition for an optimal optimal appearance on stage? like in order to maximize dryness of the physique?
thanks for being patient with my questions
zewiyes. that is correct also taking Arimidex will help also on bloating.
and does this say stop cycle 2 weeks before hand, compete then PCT? Is that gunna be ight since I am finishing with Prop?
eh yo vike, what up dood. So if you want me to end 2 weeks before comp then that means I have to literally begin as soon as I am done with with PCT and cycle I am on. Is that gunna work. I have never ran cycles back to back, always had about 4 months apart. This trene/testcyp is gunna take me to end of nov. then pct for 4 weeks to end of dec then Id have to start jan 1st. Is that gunna be ok for me? Or should I TRT for four weeks after this cycle to carry over to next then just hop on my next cycle with no PCT? This just sounds like its gunna rape me but wat you think?
zewiTIME ON + PCT = TIME OFF BROTHER..
So your looking at max a 12 week cycle.
Even though an 8 week cycle would be better.. than you no your recovered.
IMO Take the correct time off.. However, here you go for a 8 weeker.
1-8 Test p @ 150mg EOD
1-8 Mast P @ 150mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED(or winny)
if you lucky you might get 10 weeks
1-10 Test p @ 150mg EOD
3-10 Mast P @ 150mg EOD
5-10 Anavar @ 50mg ED(or winny)
shit so then I need to get something else going. Unless you think I should cut my tren cycle at 12 weeks rather than 16? What do you think I should do for the comp cuz I am planning on a 16 tren to get me to end of Nov but that means Id have to be off till end of feb and Id only have march, april and part of may with my next cycle... is there a decent cut stack with lean mass for 8-10 weeks?
zewii added a cycle to the post.
ok thanks man. Im gunna give that a go but I am hesitant with adding all Prop, Var and Mast together and never having run mast or var before. Anything I should get ontop of an AI fo rthis?
zewiliver support..
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/things-to-remembe....
Prop is test, but you wont carry that extra water. Trust me brother you will be good to go and get what you want out of the cycle.
ok cool thanks man
zewiAnytime.
shit so then I need to get something else going. Unless you think I should cut my tren cycle at 12 weeks rather than 16? What do you think I should do for the comp cuz I am planning on a 16 tren to get me to end of Nov but that means Id have to be off till end of feb and Id only have march, april and part of may with my next cycle... is there a decent cut stack with lean mass for 8-10 weeks?
not to sound like too much of a noob or retard.
zewix2...Very true good points..
This looks good, so you think I should stop the EQ and TestE at the same time? I know normally you stagger them by 2 weeks. And I would like to try mastP but you think im g2g with age and experience? I found out the wrong way with Tren I wasnt 100% ready, till Vike saved my ass. And do you run var with Mast? Im familiar with winny but not var, what are the benefits over winny in this case?
Ideally Id like to get to 6% bf or lower by comp time so based on what your saying mast should be good.
Appreciate it man
zewiYea you can drop the Test E and Eq at the same time cause you will finish with test p..
also finishing with test p allows you to start pct 3 days after last shot.
If you were just running test E and Eq then yes Test e would be 2 weeks longer like so
1-16 eq @ 600mg a week
1-18 Test e @ 375mg
start pct 15 days after shot
Has for mast p you will be good.. its not Tren brother.
true thanks bro