Next Cycle advice?
Hey guys,
I have been working out since I was 14, and I gained a bit the odd time, with a great workout routine. I was very committed, but was sick and tired of having nothing to prove for all my time put in. I finished my first cycle about start of September give or take. I am 24 years old, and started with Test E, 250mg, once every 7 days. I had a clean diet (with the odd cheat day) and was working out 4-5 times a week, for the most part just trying to bulk and gain strength. I ran this for about 9-10 weeks, pinning in shoulders and quads. Here are the results.
Start:
Height-5-10.5
Weight 174
Bench-225 2 reps
Incline 70 DMB
Hammers 35's
End
Weight 198
Bench 225 for 10 reps
Incline 105 for 12 reps
Hammers 60's
Side Effects
Oily skin on face, Mediocre Acne on chin and forehead, Little to No acne on chest or back
Some raging for hormone imbalance (Some may argue this)
Other than that it was a pretty smooth ride and my body reacted well.
PCT
These were my biggest increases, but overall I gained a ton of strength in every workout! After my cycle I actually had my clomid ordered, and there was a falling through, and I had no other choice to try a different, very unorthodox method. After doing a ton of research, and having no other option, I chose to use an AI (Arimidex) as my PCT. This should usually be accompanied by a serm like Clomid for best results, but I had to use it on its own, and it proved to very effective. Now, I knew this was a bit risky, and I did not know what to expect, but now being a month and a bit out, I have kept all my weight, actually now I am 202. Most of my strength has stayed the same, with the exception of the lack of muscle stamina, which i had while on cycle.
Overall, I was more than pleased with this cycle, and I have decided to do another, around X-Mas. Any advice? 500mg?Stay the same? Stack? Thanks for your time
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1jakd_hipy1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI which should be Adex at .25mg E3D
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
This is all you need
zewiX2 however week 1-30 should be Diet, and gym.. than start cycle.
BOOM!
zewithats Day 1-30
x3
x2 looks perfect
1-5 test prop 150 mg eod
1-15 test e 250x2 a wk
10-14 days after last test e shot do you pct
nova 40-40-20-20
clomid 100-100-50-50
with your adex .25 mg eod
4k cals
Whats your logic behind 15wks for a second cycle bro..and why 5wks on the prop ???
Just parroting other stuff he have seen posted. There needs to be a new rule IMO on parroting.
is this referring to me? please explain if so?
it doesn't have to be 15 wks, it could b 10,12 which ever he decides . but he hasnt stated how long he ran the first one so that was a ball park, and if everything worked well on the first cycle of just test i can see the harm in a kick start, i think prop is better for gains and size kept than dbol.then again that's my thoughts. but it could be ran at 3,4,5 or how ever long he would want to run it.. he could do 3 so by the time the test e kicked it he could already see some gain from the prop.
I ran my Test E at 250mg for 9 weeks
1jakd_hipyno offense, but that was dumb...if your going to shut down natty test production you should always make it worth it and running test at a little over double a full replacement dosage is not worth it
I guess so, but I was really happy with my results and found it to work very well with my body. All my test levels are back to normal, I kept all gains, and had a smooth ride. With little to no sides as well, so I am happy, I appreciate all your advice though
1jakd_hipyI have no doubt you saw gains you were happy with, but you could have seen a lot more. The cycle I posted at the top is this sites standard for newbs. Play around with site rotation and get use to pinning in glutes, quads and shoulder, if you have someone who can pin you also use Lats. Then on your next cycle you can jump start with prop and you'll know what to expect. Good luck bud and as always keep us posted on progress
All awesome advice, thanks a ton, and I will for sure keep my progress posted! Cheers
Thanks for that bro!... just wanted your logic due to hundreds more reading this thread and thinking 15wks is the way to go on run two then all jumping on it... and i agree with the prop ramp but imo 4wks is sufficent to lead into the long ester booting up.
Hey bro, honestly you need to slowly get into these things, I would recommend increasing your dosage to maybe 400 mg maybe 500 mg a week depending on sides. Stick with just test e. have arimidex or aromasine on hand. With your standard pct consisting of nolva and clomid. Make sure you have all these before you start!
This defenitely sounds like the best thing to do. I feel good with test E and how it reacted with my body, with most likely do a 500mg/w test e cycle with adex and clomid for a pct.
here is a good 2nd cycle with good diet and training u will see good gains. you could also drop the test p and just run the test e how I have it
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg a week split
4-all the way up until you start your PCT --your AI
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
NOVA 40/40/20/20
1jakd_hipyGuys quit teaching these new guys to be impatient, there is no issue with waiting 3 weeks for you test levels to reach optimum serum levels. It will give them time to dial in hteir workouts and diet and the placebo affect alone they will see some gains, not only that but save them some money
thats why I said u can drop the test p and just run the test e if he wants, but its good to have options and 4 week prop kick will not hurt but if hes happy with a test e cycle great I am all for that but most guys going in to 2nd cycle want to add something
1jakd_hipyBro its his second cycle and on his first he was only shooting 1mL a week, now your recommending forced site rotation such as shoulder and quads, I think he needs time before prop he needs to play around with pinning different sites on this cycle and break them in instead of just diving into pinning 4x a week
u r right I just seen he only ran 9 weeks at a low dose I was thinking he did a 12 week 500mg first cycle thats my bad
X2 brother... thanks for your input +3 for sensible thinking.
1jakd_hipyadex is not part of PCT...PCT is recovery Adex is prevention...Run the Adex .25mg E3D than 14 after last shot start PCT with both nolva and clomid
Community...forums....pct. Please read.
Smart fella.. i like your thinking.. +3 brother.