posted Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:46
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Need help Test E and Tren e.
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Hi I need some advice.
I'm in my 9th week of Test e 500mg/ week. I just finished EQ 400mg/week which I ran together with the test. I have tren e on hands and Im planning to start today for 8 weeks at 200mg/ week plus the test e.
My question : how can I drop down the test and wich mg per week I should reach. ?
I don't think is good to go from 500mg week to 200mg at once.
Any recommendations please.
37, 5 10", 200lbs, @ 17% fat. On my 3rd cicle with test.
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eryximachusDo you want to be on TRT? 17 weeks?
It will take you to recover at your age. Don't be stupid.
Bro,
If they have some chains at your gym (for bench work and dips and such) - see if u can get some good bro's to wrap them around the ass-wipe that is providing u with steroid advice and lock the douche bag to the power rack when the gym closes -- a big Master Lock should do the job. You gotta put some thought here into the timing so that when the dick starts screaming for help no one will hear.
Bro, in my relatively short time here at eroids, I have seen all manner of fucked up cycles, what you are doing ranks right up there. Congratulations bro. This is a classic. We need to memorialize this in some way in our cycle library - "Don't Let this Happen to You." I'm not even accusing you of designing this mess on your own - I assume you got help from somewhere.
Nine weeks of EQ ain't gonna do shit. Did it do shit? Other than perhaps jacking your blood pressure and elevating your hematocrit - did your "advisor" even mention the side effects of EQ?
The "full effects" of EQ materialize in about 20 weeks. That's right brosky, 20 weeks. But, you need not take my word for it. Just use Google - that information and steroid profile of Equipoise is all over the fucking net. Did you do any research on your own on the chemicals your injecting into your body? I don't think you did. Think about the name of the drug Equipoise. Kinda sounds like it might have something to do with equines (horses). It's a veterinary product not designed for human use, just like Trenbolone which at one time was made by athletes from Finaplix H pellets, an ear implant used by cattle ranchers to maintain the weight of cattle during shipping to slaughter. (that sentence courtesy of Wiki).
Trenbolone is one of the nastiest steroids ever made. It is the only one I know of that is pycho active and capable of producing panic attacks, almost homicidal aggression, paranoia, fits of depression and withdrawal symptoms like common street drugs. It can produce progesterone / prolactin based gynecomastia (growth of female like breast tissue in males), insomnia, night sweats, erectile dysfunction and loss of libido, hypothyroidism (you'll end up so tired u won't be able to get out of bed), breathing difficulties, inability to sustain cardiovascular exercise (really useful in the gym), hair loss - u can look up some more - it's a long list.
Now, I don't think u have an appreciation for "esters." No one in their right mind that has no Tren experience would inject Trenbolone Enanthate. The Enanthate ester will give Tren a half-life of 11 days. If you have a bad reaction to Tren, it will take weeks to clear your system. Weeks of agony and suffering if u have a bad reaction to it.
Oh yeah - Tren is highly anabolic. But so are many other compounds that u can use safely. So, bro, take the Tren E and put it in a safe place. It will last for years. And, don't worry, they will still be making it when it's time for u to use it. Fear not.
I also think a 20 week EQ cycle or even a 16 week cycle is a little much for you at this stage. Other's may feel differently. They will respond and advise. I think you should just run the Test / EQ out for 12 weeks and stop bro. Do your PCT. Do you have all your PCT chemicals?
You know, it takes all of us real time and effort to write comments out to you who is a perfect stranger to me that I will likely never meet. I and others take this time because, stranger or not, I don't want you to get sick and do permanent damage to your health simply because no one took the time to give you proper advice on steroid use.
There are a ton of good, experienced people on this website. If you stick around, u will learn everything u need to know to get maximum success from AAS.
Very best wishes,
GearHead
Thanks and +3
You saved me having to type and i appreciate that bro :))
That pretty much sums it up right there.
Thanks gearhead really appreciate. Fortunately I didn't run the tren. I'll complete 12 weeks or more with what I started test e and EQ at same doses.
1) Can I add something for hardening and fat loss ?
2) Also I don't have any pct on hands besides adex ( taking .50mg/ week.) any advice.
Thanks again.
What he's trying to tell
You about the eq is that it's a longer term compound.
Do a lil research in your spare time on esters and how the work. Understand this helps you grasp why and how long to run specific esterfied hormones.
Eq has a slow release and therefore takes a good bit longer than others to compound to an effectively active plasma concentration. Rule of thumb, w/o getting in depth, is 16 week minimum. Takes 9 +- to reach plasma concentration (peak). Until you reach that point, your cells are not optimally interacting with the hormone. So you're short changing yourself.
Next cycle you can run another compound that can make it more of a cutting cycle if u want. First of all adex is an aromatase inhibitor (AI) that prevents the testosterone u are taking from spiking your estrogen levels through an enzyme we produce called aromatase that converts testosterone into estrogen through a process called aromatization. It is not part of PCT. High estrogen levels in a man is not good. One of the first problems of too high estrogen is the development of "bitch tits" or gynecomastia which is the medical term. Normal adex dose is 0.25 mg EoD (about 1 mg / wk but not all at once). There are 3 forms of estrogen - estradiol (E2), esterone and estriol. It is the E2 level that concerns us that can be checked by a blood test to make sure your AI is working properly.
You must do a proper PCT and get your blood drawn before u start your next cycle to make sure your natural testosterone output is OK, meaning that u have recovered from this cycle.
You need to get Clomiphene and Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) The weekly dosages for 4 weeks are as follows:
Clomid ultimately stimulates the pituitary gland to produce leutenizing hormone the tells the leydig cells in the testes to produce natural testosterone.
Nolvadex also increases luteinizing release as well to bring up natural testosterone production.
Clomid 100/100/50/50 (in mg / day)
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Starting PCT
You should either stop both compounds at the same time at least (then you'll have to wait for three weeks due to EQ) or stop EQ one week prior to stopping the Test E which gives you two weeks until you start PCT.
Since u are doing a 12 week cycle u will need to wait at least 12 weeks to recover after the 4 week PCT to begin your next cycle if your blood test shows testosterone levels that indicate u have indeed recovered.
In the meantime, I encourage u to read up on ketogenic diets to lower your body fat and retain lean tissue.
Take a look at:
http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/dave-palumbos-ketogenic-diet
You can FR me and we can talk about diets through PM. I'll even give you my last keto diet laid out.
Excellent. Thanks for your help.
Adex is not for PCT. You need to get some Nolva and Clomid. PCt will be 4 wks long and will start 2weeks after your last pin of test e. If you are going to continue with EQ you need to quit that 2wks before the test e because of the ester.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Got it. Won't do it. Thanks for the replies.
That's worth a little karma for being sensible.
I thought I my run tren at very low @ 200mg/ week or less. Apparently is not a good idea.
Somebody with a different opinion ?
3rd cicle in 1 1/2 year just test cip in last two.
Whats your goal here? Cycle history? Whats your diet like?
Whats the deal with your current cockamamy cycle ?
This i play it by ear shit is nonsense... You shouldnt be building cycles as you go...this shit is medicine and should be planned and attended to properly...
Taking Tren is not smart and you shouldn't do it for multiple reasons.
You need to get your diet on point...
Looking for advice not pointed finger. Thanks tho.
Not pointing a finger, just pointing out that in this AAS world there is alot of research to be done before sticking a needle in your body...the boys listed a tremendous amount of awesome info here tonight on the origin and dangers of Tren, and the proper ways to run a cycle and your pct...we hope you heed their advice and cliff noted version of the research you should be doing on your own, l like gearghead said dont trust him just use google or maybe the search bar on this site....
Furthermore, your statement " is there something that can help with fatloss or hardening?": yes its called diet and training with a side of more diet. ANY compound can be used for cutting or bulking... It only matters on what you eat and how you train. So my advice is while you are running your eq and test for the proper amount of weeks and you slide into a proper pct your diet needs to be on point!...not pointing a finger : just trying to speed up your learning curve on how AAS is best used. Because other wise you will be playing with steroids and getting NO results or shitty results.. Just trying to help because after all of my years of AAS i comeback to the same thing that changed it all for me DIET...
Good luck and try not to be sensitive to tough love. Oh and welcome to the site.
@Big13. Thanks appreciate it.
I'm shaking my head right now. So are quitting the EQ after only 8 wks. You just wasted 8 weeks worth of EQ! Right about now is when you start feeling and seeing the results of it and you are stopping it?!? Either continue on with a proper EQ cycle or take your test e out to 12 weeks and PCT. Forget about that tren. Just by how you have layed out your current cycle and the questions you are asking shows that you will in no way shape or form be able to handle any tren, let alone being only your 3rd cycle. You are in for nasty ride if you start pinning that tren.
Thanks for the advice. As I said I thought about run tren at very low strength, no a good idea no sure why yet. My last doses of eq was last Wednesday not everything is wasted I may take the advice and continue for up 12 weeks.
If you don't know the why you aren't anywhere near ready..
Don't do tren.