+ 2 Need Guidance on Next Lean Bulk Cycle (Marine Vet, Intermediate)
Hey guys, quick background. I was a Marine infantry machine gunner and completed three combat tours. When I got out I struggled with alcoholism for a few years, but I eventually quit drinking and turned everything around.
I started training again at 230 pounds and around 24 percent body fat. After running a Test E and Tren E cycle I dropped to 190 pounds at about 15 percent. I get bloodwork each cycle and my kidneys and liver have handled everything well so far.
Up to this point I have only used Test, Deca, and Tren, never all at the same time. I would consider myself intermediate, but I know there is still a lot I need to learn. For my next cycle I want to lean bulk and put on size with minimal fat gain. My diet is solid, but I am not sure what compounds or combinations would be best for that goal.
I am open to other compounds or different stack ideas. I just need the knowledge to understand what I am doing and why. Any solid advice from the guys who have been doing this longer would be appreciated.
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Drug selection has nothing to with fat gain. That’s all down to your diet. Some compounds can be drier than others. Test deca is a tried and true bulker. Whether you retain a bunch of water or gain fat comes down to your diet.
100% ! Couldn’t agree more !
If you want to live long, leave the tren alone along with alot of orals and high doses. Its kind of hard not using tren after youve seen how great it works, but l.... my only advice to you would be to think longterm. I just turned 40. Ive been on trt for 15 years already. Ill prolly die from complications related to steroid abuse. Just being honest.
Spot on. I think it’s even more important after 40 to moderate, stay away from orals and harsh compounds. Unless you’re chasing a pro card and have a decent chance of getting it. If you’re just trying to be bigger than most guys in the gym and stay in shape there’s no to use anything harsh. Even deca at higher doses is very bad for your heart. Test primo and mast seem to be the safest drugs.
First thank you for your service!
Get some blood work done before you start so you have a baseline of your levels. CMP, CBC, Estrogen, Testosterone Free and Total, Lipids.
You should always have Testosterone as your base for every Gear cycle.
I second that, Thank you and everybody you served with for your service!
As I stated my blood work is very clean and my liver and kidney numbers are on the low end! Also thank you!!
Test only till you recomp, then when you add in more compounds they will truly shine and be much more apparent. Can always add gh and Reta as well as any peptide. You do not need more than test for your goal
Test, mast and var. if you can add hgh. Diet, training and sleep are crucial but that stack would be my go to. If you aren’t worried about sides then adding in tren would make a big difference too.
Sides haven’t been a problem, so test, tren, mast and var?
I’m not advocating it but ran that cycle with good success before. If you know risks then dive in
Understood, thank you!
Mast. I put that shit on everything.
We are a couple of Masturbators
I’m of the belief there is no perfect compound for bulking or cutting. Use what compounds get along with you. Changes in your body are going to be dictated by your calorie intake, training style, and recovery.
Just want to add this is a generalization. Clearly in competitive bodybuilding, strength sports, and sports in general there will be tried and true protocols to get that extra edge.
Yea as you said EXTRA EDGE. Wouldn’t bother with anything crazy unless you will dial it in. These guys are dialed in for their goals and aren’t relying on the gear to transform them. Then add gear into dialed in diet and training, and you get the real results
Ranger3252How tall are you, you could’ve turned that 40lbs of fat into some solid muscle man. I couldn’t imagine being less than 240 at 6’1”. You can add some GH, hCG and an oral like winstrol, tbol or anavar. What’s your weekly diet and clean caloric intake?
I am 5’ 9” and my calories are right around 2500 with a clean chicken and rice style.