Mid cycle advice, to increase dose or add orals or not?
This is my first post on here but I have been lurking for quite sometime. I have searched all over and can't seem to come up with a specific answer to my dilemma. The current cycle is as follows:
300mg sust, twice a week
100mg tren ace EOD
50mg deca twice a week (therapeutic dose for my joints)
I am feeling great, more vascular than I've ever been, body fat is dropping (just going off the mirror here), and strength is going up as to be expected. Diet is where it needs to be but I don't compete so I'm not making myself miserable with it if you know what I mean, but I cook every meal I eat and am seeing results. In the gym 6 or 7 days a week. Recently had a ED scare, out of the blue, which was temporarily corrected with some research chems I always keep on hand (the holy trinity?) but I immediately picked up some proviron to help keep sex drive up and healthy as I am in a relationship and can't have that being an issue. So just recently (this week) started taking proviron at 50mg a day, split into two doses. I also have been taking some liquid Caber to prevent this issue but it seems it may not have been enough. Everything seems to be functioning back to normal and the gf is happy, but just in case I went ahead and got some legit caber and selegiline coming to me and should be here soon.
I have ran tren before, and always wanted to add masteron to the mix. I plan on finishing out the tail end of my cycle with a 50/50/50 prop/tren/masteron mix and running 1cc every day (once I run out of the sust/tren I have now), continuing the proviron until I run out. I've also always wanted to run anavar along side one of these cycles and its been out of my reach, until now. So the real question here is: Would it be unwise to add anavar to this cycle? And if not, what dosage would be recommended considering the other compounds already in the mix? The problem is, I don't want to be foolish and "over do" it, I am seeing great results, but at the same time I want to take advantage of this cycle and get the most out of it. It will be the most I've taken at once. Previous cycles would be simple test e/equipoise or deca without orals. Also, a side note, and call me crazy, but I have enough tren to ramp it up to 100mg every day before I hop on the 50/50/50 mix, is that just asking for more sides? I have aromasin as my go to AI on hand, and the usual group of serms for pct. This feels unrelated as its not AAS per se but I am also using 100mcg of CJC w/o DAC and Ipamorelin 3x a day and this is also my first shot at peptides. I've also been using clenbuterol off and on, as I'm really trying to get this last little portion of stubborn belly fat away.
I'm 26, started experimenting with AAS roughly 3 years ago, I fluctuate around 195lbs and honestly not sure what my body fat % is. I read every chance I get and am always looking to learn more, I've made mistakes and learned from them, I've also fallen off a few times and lost progress/gains to drinking and partying, I'm sober now and feeling better than I ever have in my life and just trying to get some insight.
So, let me have it. Am I in over my head? What do you guys think? Thanks for your time.
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Look, I get it, you guys are tired of seeing people show up in here that don't understand why they cant run some obscure, painfully terrible cycle that their friend told them would be cool or whatever and they have no idea because they have spent zero time reading and searching for (readily available) answers to their incredibly basic questions, out of pure laziness. I have never wanted to be "that guy", and all this time I've managed to learn what I can without having to ask anyone directly. I don't want to come off as the lazy, unappreciative newbie that just stomps in here and expects all the worlds answers to be handed down without a single sweat broken on my part. I want to be a part of this community and give back where I can, I really just don't have anyone to talk to about this stuff because I don't personally hang out with other people that are experienced with AAS. None of my "friends" even work out.
If theres anything that needs clearing up, let me know, and I'll fill in the blanks. But can you guys be a little less apprehensive? I'm not a total douche bag idiot. If you want to spell out for me why my cycle is such garbage I would be thrilled to learn something in the process, but just trying to make me feel stupid doesn't really help anyone. Anyways, thanks for reading.
My apologies if being forthright is offensive .. I didn't treat you like you were a douche ...
I prefer to speak plainly, that's how I roll.
Your cycle is garbage because you are trying to do too many things wrapped up in one cycle. Pick one goal and stick with it .. otherwise you will be "a jack of all trades and master of none"
peace I am out
Who's trying to make you feel stupid? If you want advice, then be prepared to take the critique. If you see what's been said below as trying to make you feel stupid, I certainly can't help you without pissing you off.
Eh I'm not pissed off there just seems to be an aggressive climate here but it's all good. I'm all for critique and advice.
cus theres alot of guys around here jacked up on tren lol
very simply put why are you going to change something if it isn't broke? why are you changing mid cycle? that's not a cycle that's free for all.... watch how quickly everything falls apart .. save the mast/tren/test for an acutal cycle.. you're gonna be fucked up because sust takes a LONG time to clear the system because of the long esters ...
Clen? fix the diet you plan on using clen the rest of your life to lose fat ... you dont fix the diet the fat .. if you lose it will just come back anyway.
Pick a plan .. stick with it
I already planned on adding Masteron to the second half of my cycle, which isn't unheard of. I'm just confused about having Proviron and Anavar in the mix. If you say I'm over doing it, I'll take your word for it, I just thought these orals would be the perfect "icing on the cake" so to speak. Though I do agree with your theory of why fix something that isn't broke.
How am I fucked up from sust if I've ran an enanthate ester before? I'm not sure I'm following you here.
I take clen for the same reason any of us take AAS...because it works? Though the shakes make work difficult in the mornings because I am a locksmith and I've considered switching to albuterol. I may just do a OTC stim fat burner for the mornings since its too damn hot to drink coffee and it helps me wake up so early.
Sust.... most sustanon blends do not have the enathate ester ... the two longer esters take longer than the enanthat ester toc clear you system. Your dosages will be off . People react differently to the different esters. For example I get much better results running sust than I do with plain old enanathate but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't run it by itself first.
You add one new compound at a time ...
your fat burners don't burn fat they burn calories, the don't distinguish between fat and muscle... you shouldn't be trying to actively burn fat will trying to add muscle .. the two don't go well together.
RustyhookerCycle sounds like crap. Liquid caber is known to be garbage.
full stats, goals and priors or no further help here. This has a lot of problems in it. Trt?
Age: 26
Height: 5 11
Weight: 195
BF: %12
Is that considered full stats? What am I missing here and I'll be glad to fill in the rest.
My goals are purely aesthetic, I am not an athlete and I don't compete, I just want to look my best, I've had no trouble getting nice shoulders and arms but I've always kept that stubborn belly fat and that is what I'm trying to get at now, through proper diet and actually doing cardio for the first time (yeah I know, laugh it up). Every day I chug down a glass of egg whites, eat a bowl of oatmeal or scrambled eggs and potatoes and some cottage cheese about 6am, by 9am I am at work and if I can't hit a microwave (I bring 3 meals to work with me, always fish/chicken and rice/quinoa/pasta/potatoes some combination of that) I will drink down a shake of two scoops of isopure with one scoop of 5% nutrition "real food", then lunch time and 3:00 meals I usually have no problem hitting a microwave. 5 or 6:00 I will eat another light meal pre workout so I'm not dying, then 9:00 I will eat again, this time usually the biggest meal of the day like steak and mashed potatoes or something to keep me sane. I will go to the gym 7 days a week if possible, hitting whatever is recovered enough to hit again, which since recovery is through the roof its usually no problem to rotate muscle groups in a way that I can go 7 days a week without overdoing it. I don't drink alcohol at all. If I have a cheat meal its pizza and almost always post workout. I do 3 mins walking, 1 min running, back and fourth until I cant anymore. I usually cramp up in my legs or abs by 20 mins or so, so thats where I will cut it off. My workout routines are typical, I stay in a 10-12 rep range with 1 min rests between sets and I tend to superset where I see fit (like all bench movements will be superset with dumbell flys or dips, shoulder presses superset with rear flys, etc). I work out by myself and have had to teach myself almost everything since day one. I walked in there with long lanky flabby arms, a beer gut, and some bitch tits, and hit every single fucking machine like a moron until finally someone walked up and said "hey man...what are you doing?" and showed me how to split my routines, ditch the machines, and got me using slow controlled movements with strict form. I still don't consider myself an expert by any stretch of imagination but I have completely changed the way my body looks. And its done wonders for my life in all aspects, its given me self confidence (which I was severely lacking), I quit drinking (was drinking heavily every single day), and it's helped with depression along the way, I am now a more active, less lazy, happier version of myself and I owe it all to lifting weights. I will admit, my first cycle, I bought from a drug dealer, and had no idea what I was doing, but I knew I wanted to do whatever I was doing 100%, and it kept me going back to the gym and kept me out of trouble. My first cycle was Test E and equipoise, relatively low doses, the EQ ended up giving me ED probably because I was running the testosterone so low. I had to learn about PCT on my own, the next cycle I did was about 500mg a week of Test E as recommended by my ex future father in law who competes, trying to steer me away from using any other harsher compounds. That was good for me I believe. After that I ran a cycle of sust and tren, and then another cycle of Test E and Deca (all pct and "time off" between these).
As far as the liquid caber is concerned, last time I ordered caber alone from a source it took over a month to get here so I just took a chance on some liquid caber from iron dragon. Some people said it checked out, some people say caber isnt stable in liquid, hell I don't know. Anyways, my legit caber should be here next week. Lesson learned.
RustyhookerThat brand....garbage. just so you know we can't chat brands or sources here. Just a learning page in forums.
Your dude trying to steer you away from harsh chems was wise! But you pounced on tren. Mismatched esters with sust. Sust don't start up til week 8 which stunts efforts. You're looking for aesthetic conditions so adding in any orals that loads water is opposite your goals.
Basically you launched a nuke when you could have kept it simple. Tren shutdown sucks. Pct was not fun at all after 8 weeks tren.
Aesthetic appeal. Cardio is the only one that busts fat with less sides from the chems. Tren kills cardio. Getting lean unfortunately is all sweat value. But without all the years of sweat, you won't learn how you react to changes in gym/body.
What's the full layout? We use a format that's simple.
Ex....
1-4 oral something if used
1-12 test e
8-14 var...pct starts day after
Pct clomid/Nolvadex
100...100...50...50 and 40...40...20...20nolva
FYI I'm 4 weeks in at this point
1-6 Sust 300 2x a week for 600mg per week
1-6 Tren A 100mg EOD
6-12 tren/prop/mast 50/50/50 ED
1-12 Deca 50mg 2x a week for 100mg per week
4-? Proviron - I have enough for a month, can get more, just playing it by ear at this point?
Aromasin on hand as needed
PCT will be nolvadex as the one time I used clomid it sent me into deep depression
Sorry about the brand drop it won't happen again, if I could edit it I would.
See, I wanted to run HCG and my "guy" told me that was bullshit and I'm not taking enough to worry about that. I also went for the sust because it was on sale. I can get a deal on phenylprop and switch to that right now if that would be wise? I didn't know my cycle was jacked up until you guys said something because he acted like I was good to go. I guess the anavar is the least of my worries at this point, any suggestions to get this on the right track?
RustyhookerYour cycle is garbage. No matter how you rephrase it. Sustanon isn't even banging til after week 8...yet you're done at week 6. Wasted gear. Then switched to cut blend. That says you tried a combo bulker cutter. Those types of cycles don't work.
You'd better find a better pct. The depression from tren shutdown will make clomid look like child's play.
You must find a pct to carry on. You're in deep bro. Drop the tren.