LONG ESTERS or SHORT ESTERS --- (TEST, TREN, MAST)
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I am 33 yrs old, and have a decent amount of experience with cycles, here is a list of what I have ran, not in any specific order though.
Sust, Tren a, Adrol
Sust, Deca ,Eq, Var
Test p, Npp
Test E only
Test C, Dbol
Sust, Deca
Test p, Tren a, Var
Now when it comes to the short or long esters, I am currently plotting the course for my next cycle, and going to run a solid bulker, adding quality lean mass. I am planning on using test e, mast e, tren e or the short esters of these compounds. I have never ran mast in any of its form, but have read alot about it and would benefit greatly from it in regards to my goals and for its anti estrogen properties. I am gyno prone and stay with aro and nolva with all my cycles. I have caber on hand but have never needed it with any of my cycles. I am 187lbs and 6 feet tall.I have ran tren higher then test and lower then test and honestly prefer my tren higher then test. My goals are to add quality lean muscle and my target weight is 205lbs. I love Eq but really don't want to run a long cycle as that compound requires to utilize it's full potential. At the end of the day I guess I just have to make up my mind on what I want to run, but leaning towards going with short esters for the simple fact of being able to adjust dosage easier then with long esters. Any input from members who have ran these specific compounds and what there experience was and what not would be appreciated. I am also contemplating adding proviron to this cycle. I am not looking for advice on how to run this cycle, I am just simply asking other members what there "personal opinion" is in regards to this topic and what they prefer, as all our bodies are extremely different and react in their own way specific to certain hormones....
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Viking posted a monster shake high in calories that can get you where you wanna be, unless you don't really wanna get "too big" and just injecting gear for the sake of God. A high calorie Intake & I mean 1000-2000 calories higher than your maintenance intake can get you big as fuck.
I don't have the link to it, but here is Vikings shake ingredients.
1 cup finely ground oats (100g)
16 oz of milk (500 cc)
Almond butter (100 g)
1 banana
2 scoops of isolate whey/casein
One of these shakes is 1635 calories.
Two of these shakes is 3270 calories.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
I have seen some well developed, muscular physiques at 185 lbs, they weren't 73", though. They were 5'5"-5'7" at 8%. You don't know your body fat%?
How about completing your stats and posting a pic?
Come back here with a better plan and don't talk just steroids...you need to know your BMR, with and with out activity, which relates to your calories and macros. It would be nice to see your different types of foods, too. From there, post your weight lifting regimens and any cardio you do.
Posting up all the drugs you have done is helpful, but it doesn't say much, except I am ignorant about using AAS.
So, you have picked my brain. Come with it and please the shit outta me, bro!! I will love you for it!!
Welcome to Eroids...glad you are here
You would have surprised us all if you would have just suggested using nothing and posted your food plan. Is that still not an option? It's not like you're in week 6 and having problems with 19-nor sides, or not able to use your whole left side secondary to realistic expectations and side effects of an unbalanced endocrine system.
Then why post up at all? Any member that happens to be experienced and actually care about your well-being is going to tear this entire post apart.
You're looking to add some mass and get to 205... But you're looking for recommendation on which drug can get you there. That's not how any of this works.
I did not mean that in the sense of me knowing every thing about cycling, I meant it in regards to what ppl think of the difference in the esters... I am a rookie compared to you fellas and that's why I posted, I'm hear to pick your brains for knowledge.
I am still a rookie, too. I have been experimenting with AAS since I was 17.
Stats
Age: 33
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185
Bro, you have used gear to get to 185 lbs. at 6' 1" ? You have done multiple cycles in the past and this is all you have to show for it?
I'm taking the position of stopping any gear advice to guys of average height or above (you're tall) that are sitting below 200 lbs.
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You need to revamp your diet and training program and not rely on chemicals. Chemicals have got you nowhere so far. More chemicals will do the same. Nothing.
I know there are members of this community sitting in the shadows that played around with steroids as average height males when they didn't have the drive to hit a natural base of 200 lbs by hard work and diet.
They will probably be sympathetic to your plight.
But, I'm out.
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If you want to talk about diet and training, send me FR and I will accept, but no help from me with gear in your condition.
But, before I go . . . there is no such thing as a "lean bulk."
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Oh, I see, you are going to do it "YOUR WAY" huh? Fine, bro, you can see where that has gotten you.
These compounds I have ran have been spread out over ten years, I run a cycle once maybe twice a year. My weight is a solid 187,and I actually fluctuate between 187-190. I don't go for the huge physique in working out. I also stated I wanted to add more lean mass, I posted to ask others what they think of the difference in there opinion of the long esters and short esters. And I'm def not here for a pissing contest either, I thought this place was where we came to ask questions and pick each others brains, but once again I was wrong,
Sorry fella, but Gearhead is 100% correct. Ten years of using steroids to be where you are is ridiculous. Surely you can see that? Just as an example, there's a guy a couple of posts below yours that is a similar weight to you after two cycles at 5'6". Until you wake up and smell the coffee you're going to keep underachieving, steroids or not.
Yes bro. You are dead wrong. This community unlike so many others 1) Cares about the well being of its members 2) Wants it's members to get the maximum benefit out of diet, training, and gear.
That said using gear at your height to manipulate your weight < 200 lbs. does not put you in a category where you have reached your potential and are looking toward steroid use as a means to get to the next level.
10 years of steroid use to get you to 185 at 6' 1"? LMFAO
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You would definitely be classified as a "steroid junkie." Most of us here are not going to aid and abet your steroid abuse and drug habit nor get into any discussion with you about drug characteristics and use.
I like your new plan with the 200 lbs minimum.That intervention, along with a pic, will make a difference in some wasted effort. Also, 200 lbs is easier to evaluate via a pic, than age, more times than not. I believe you just grabbed both his delts and virtually shook the shit outta his ass...lol!!