posted Fri, 06/15/2012 - 05:14
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So right now I'm cutting off some extra body fat. I completed my first test cycle and PCT about a week ago and now am using EC. My last cycle did throw some serious muscle on me, but it was wet and sloppy. I ate a lot (not as clean as I should have, but still relatively well) and it showed at the end of the cycle. So I was looking for a great (beginner) stack to use for a lean bulk aka no teen please. I realize most of the lean in lean bulk comes from diet, and I will keep that on point throughout this cycle as I have learned my lesson now. I really appreciate any help you guys give me, Thanks.
BTW
Cycle in mind: Either
1-12 600mg Test e
1-12 600mg EQ
or
1-12 700mg Test P
8-12 80mg Anavar
Thanks again brothers
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I see in your profile you are 25yrs old at 200lb marching upto 15% BF :( damn good info below from all the guys re/min 16wks cycle due to running EQ i hope you re/evaluate your cycle length to get the best from it,Big T as laid down the lifestyle science that you MUST get to grips with or else cycling will be all in vein..also you must address that BF issue quick sharp before you enter a world of pain with water and gyno issues.. Diet will make or break you brother there is NO compromise here.
Unfortunately I'm not really sure what my body fat is, I'm just taking a guess. I'm already working on lowering it down now. Hopefully with two months of strict diet, lifting, and cardio I'll be able to reach a more desirable body fat before the proposed start of this cycle. I've started your high protein/low carb diet with the 2pm carb cutoff- good stuff brother, thank you. I'm going to keep this a lifestyle change as opposed to on a goal-by-goal basis. As for the cycle, 16 weeks of 600mg Test E and EQ is a solid choice? Thanks again, the information you and Tread crank out is invaluable and much appreciated.
Long esters are the way to go right now. Ed or eod injections suck unless your used to pinning.
X2 bro.. keeping everything sweet and simple is best way when new! far less to go wrong until more exp with compounds.
gotcha. Thanks bud
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tread-mI looked in the words and saw your problem and it may be you didn't even realize you had a problem yet. Its early for you and the truth is most guys are just practicing their pinning for the first few years until the realize, damn I'm not really getting very far and dig deep to find the discipline needed to grow and most importantly "keep the gains to next run". So great learning experience you said you had gains but they were "wet and sloppy. So you grew some there and realized what you need to do in part which is where I saw the problem maybe. You said its the diet and "I will keep that on point throughout this cycle". Again you're growing in thought but you would have completed the sentence much better in saying "I will keep that on point from now on". Thats the little secret that we all look for early and don't seem to want to adapt before years of yoyo cycles and training. Eventually and unfortunately in my case it took years to accept. I didn't want to believe it in part because I love food, I eat big and I never met a plate of food I didn't like, literally will eat anything. My mom said from one year old they could set a plate in front of me and while my little brother would pick his way around the things that didn't loook good to him I would start at one side without any descrimination and eat my way to the other and then point at the empty plate with a tear! Lol...so food is my weakness, well and tight ass but we'll get back to that (no homo btw). So I had a very very bhard time saying "I'm going to limit myself to these foods". I hate not eating what I want and everything I see. Good example here, I ran out of food yestrday and ate spam and peanut butter and liked it! That would make a goat puke brother! Lol. this is it though, I want you to learn quicker than I and thats the whole deal, this diet roll has to be 365 or you're just fuckin around, you really are brother. Now can you have a cheat day now and then ,yes, can you fall off a bit on vacation if a comps not in the near future, sure. You just have to adapt a lifestyle and quit thinking of it as a 12 weeker. You will never gain nice muscle on one diet and keep it on your old diet, ever. Its not rocket science I just chose to make it hard early on. Think of it this way. You are day trading and have a system in your charts you use to make 100 dollars a day. You then find a new system by where you are making 500 a day and you do that for 12 weeks. At the end of the 12 weeks you decide to start using your old graph system. Will you continue to make 500 a day or go back to making 100 a day? It is not only no more complicated than that, its not as complicated as that...its simple, find something that works and do it forever! See what I mean? Ok so I did my best to make that point so throw your stats/age and goal up for us and let us take a look.
First off, thanks for taking the time to respond to my pm and this post. Fortunately I did learn my lesson. Towards the end of that cycle I noticed it wasn't just the shoulders and arms of my shirts getting tight, but my pant waist too. I had a well laid out diet plan consistent with what I typically see here, but I allowed myself to replace these clean calories out with cheat meals daily because it was a "bulk". I've cleaned the cheat out of my diet (except maybe a once a week reasonable cheat) and am getting the vast majority of my calories from eggs, egg whites, 96% lean beef, chicken breast, lean steak, peanut butter, whole pasta or tortillas, and oats. It totals up to probably 50% Protein 25% fats 25% carbs.
Now, the reason why I typed all of that shit out is NOT to try to tell you that you're wrong. In fact, you're spot on with how I had gone about the cycle. I'm wondering if I'm headed in the right direction.
Right now, that direction is using a high protein/low carb diet combined with ECA and cardio to shed some unwanted pounds before I take up another cycle in late August (cycle + PCT and a few weeks). What do you think?
Again thank you, This sort of information is hard to come by and VERY much appreciated
Mmmmmmm food & tight ass......get in my face! (no homo)
I think the eq stack you would want to run longer like 14-16 weeks. just my 2 cents
Yeah? Would you run the test up to that length as well?
Yea actually I would run them both for 16 weeks. With hcg though